Contents

Bhaktivinoda Thakura

Sri Jaiva-dharma

Volume One


Table of Contents

Chapter One - Jiver Nitya O Naimittik Dharma
The Soul's Eternal and Temporary Natures,

Chapter Two - Jiver Nitya-dharma Suddha O Sanatana
The Soul's Eternal Nature is Pure and Everlasting

Chapter Three - Naimittik Dharma Asampurna, Heya, Misra, O Acirasthayi
The Soul's Temporary Duties are Imperfect, Horrible, Contaminated, and Short lived

Chapter Four - Nitya-dharmer Namantara Vaisnava-dharma
Another Name for the Eternal Religion is the Vaisnava Religion

Chapter Five
Vaidhi-bhakti - Nitya-dharma, Naimittik Naya Vaidhi-bhakti
The Eternal Religion.  It is Not temporary

Chapter Six - Nitya-dharma O Jati-varnadi-bheda
Eternal Religion and the Differences of Caste


Chapter One
Jiver Nitya O Naimittik Dharma
The Soul's Eternal and Temporary Natures
      Of all earthly realms, Jambudvipa is the best.  O fall
places  in  Jambudvipa, Bharata-varsa is the best.   Of  all
places  in  Bharata-varsa, Gauda-desa is the best.   Of  all
places in Gauda-desa, Sri Navadvipa-mandala is the best.  In
one  part of Sri Navadvipa-mandala, on the Ganga shore,  the
beautiful  village  of Sri Godruma is splendidly  manifested
eternally. In ancient times many bhajananandi devotees  made
their homes in the gardens of Sri Godruma.
      In  that  place, in a cottage of vines, a surabhi  cow
once  worshipped Lord Gaurasundara, the Supreme  Personality
of  Godhead.   Not far from that place was a  bhajana-kutira
named  Pradyumna-kunja.  In that bhajana-kutira  thick  with
vines,  a  paramahamsa babaji, who was an initiated disciple
of   the   Supreme   Lord's  personal  associate   Pradyumna
Brahmacari,  always stayed, rapt in the bliss of worshipping
the Lord (bhajanananda).
     Aware that Sri Godruma is not different from Sri Nanda-
grama  in Vrndavana, Sri Prema-dasa Babaji, who was  learned
in all the scriptures, also took shelter in that holy place.
Every  day  he  chanted Lord Hari's holy names  two  hundred
thousand  times.  Every day he offered hundreds and hundreds
of  dandavat obeisances to all the Vaisnavas.  He maintained
his  life  by madhukari begging at the homes of the  cowherd
people  there.  He strictly followed the rules of a  saintly
life.
     When he had finished all his spiritual duties, he would
not waste his time with gossip.  Rather, he would read, with
tears in his eyes, the Prema-vaivarta of Lord Gaurasundara's
dear  associate  Jagadananda Pandita.  At  those  times  the
devotees  in  that forest grove would listen with  love  and
devotion.  And why not?  The book Prema-vaivarta is full  of
the sweet mellows (rasas) of devotional service.  Also, this
babaji  read  it so sweetly that hearing its words  at  once
extinguished   whatever  remained  of  the  poison  fire  of
material desires in the hearts of the devotees.
     One afternoon, when he had finished the chanting of all
his  rounds, the paramahamsa babaji sat down in his madhavi-
vine  covered cottage and read from "Prema-vaivarta" and  as
he  read he became plunged in the ocean of devotional  love.
At  that moment an austere sannyasi approached him and again
and again offered dandavat obeisances at his feet.
      Plunged  in  devotional bliss, the babaji  was  for  a
moment  unaware  of  external events.   Finally  seeing  the
sannyasi  prostrate  before him, the  babaji  who  was  more
humble  than a blade of grass, at once bowed down  to  greet
him.  Saying, "O Lord Caitanya, O Lord Nityananda, please be
merciful upon me, a fallen soul," the babaji began to weep.
      Then  the  sannyasi  said to the  saintly  babaji,  "O
master,  I  am  very  lowly and fallen.  Why,  imitating  my
actions, do you mock me in this way?"  Then, taking the dust
of the babaji's feet, the sannyasi sat down before him.
     Giving the sannyasi a tree bark sitting place, and then
sitting  beside  him,  the babaji,  his  words  choked  with
spiritual love said, "O master, I am a fallen soul.  How may
I serve you?"
       Setting   down  his  kamandalu,  the  regal  sannyasi
respectfully folded his hands and said, "O master, I am very
unfortunate.   I  studied  the  sankhya,  patanjala,  nyaya,
vaisesika,  purva-mimamsa, and uttara-mimamsa  philosophies.
I  studied the Vedanta, Upanisads, and many other scriptures
also.   I travelled on pilgrimage to Varanasi and many other
holy  places.   I spent much time debating with  others  the
meaning of the scriptures.
      "It  is  twelve years now since I accepted a  sannyasi
danda  from  Srila  Saccidananda  Sarasvatipada.   After   I
accepted the danda I spent my time always travelling to  all
the  holy places.  Wherever I went in Bharata-varsa I always
associated  with  the  sannyasi followers  of  Sankaracarya.
Passing through the stages of kuticaka, bahudaka and  hamsa,
after a few days I attained the stage of paramahamsa.   Then
I stayed always at Varanasi.
      "Observing  a  vow of silence, I took shelter  of  the
sayings  'aham brahmasi' (I am Brahman), 'prajnanam  brahma'
(Brahman  is  consciousness), and 'tat tvam  asi'  (You  are
that),  which  Sankara  declares are the  maha-vakyas  (most
important statements of the scriptures).
      "Then  one day a saintly Vaisnava singing songs  about
Lord  Hari's pastimes came before me.  Opening my eyes wide,
I gazed at him.  He was bathed by the tears flowing from his
eyes, and the hairs of his body stood erect in ecstasy.   In
a  choked  voice  he  chanted "Sri  Krsna  Caitanya!  Prabhu
Nityananda!'   Again  and  again he  danced  with  faltering
steps.  Sometimes he fell to the ground.
      "As I gazed at him and heard his song, my heart became
filled with love, a love I have no power to describe.   Even
though  I  became filled with love, I followed the rules  of
paramahamsa life and I did not speak a word to him.
      "I  am  pathetic,  my  rules of paramahamsa  life  are
pathetic,  and  my so-called good fortune is also  pathetic.
Why did I not speak to him?
     "Since that day my heart has been irresistibly drawn to
the  feet of Sri Caitanya.  I became very agitated.  I spent
many days searching for that Vaisnava, but I did not see him
anywhere.
     "When I saw that Vaisnava and heard the holy names from
his  mouth  I  became filled with a pure and  sacred  bliss.
Before  that  time I did not know that such a bliss  existed
anywhere.  I did not think it was possible for a human being
to experience such bliss.
     "After some days of thinking I decided that it would be
best for me to take shelter of the feet of a Vaisnava.  Then
I left Varanasi and went to Sridhama Vrndavana.
      "There  I saw many Vaisnavas.  Every one of  them  was
calling  out the names, 'O Sri Rupa! O Sri Sanatana!  O  Sri
Jiva  Gosvami!' and lamenting.  They were all meditating  on
Sri  Sri  Radha-Krsna's pastimes and in voices  choked  with
love, calling out the name of Navadvipa.
      "From  that  moment I have yearned to  see  Navadvipa.
After a 168 mile journey from Sri Vraja-dhama, I arrived  in
Mayapura a few days ago.
      "In  Mayapura town I heard of your glories, so  now  I
have  come to take shelter of your feet.  Please be merciful
to  me,  accept  me as your servant, and give  my  story  an
ending that is good."
      Weeping again and again, and humbly placing a blade of
grass  between his teeth, the saintly paramahamsa  said,  "O
saintly sannyasi, I am very unfortunate. I fill my belly,  I
sleep, I speak useless gossip.  In this way I have wasted my
life.
      "Now  I  pass  my  days in the place where  Sri  Krsna
Caitanya  enjoyed His pastimes.  Still, I have no  power  to
taste what is true love for Lord Krsna.
      "You  are  fortunate.  Gazing at  a  Vaisnava,  for  a
moment,  you tasted that love.  You have received the  mercy
of  Lord  Krsna Caitanya.  If, when you taste pure spiritual
love, you once remember this fallen person, my life will  be
a great success."
      Speaking  again  and again in this  way,  the  saintly
babaji tightly embraced the saintly sannyasi and bathed  him
with  the  tears  flowing  from  his  eyes.   Touched  by  a
Vaisnava, the saintly sannyasi felt an emotion he had  never
known  before.  He danced and wept.  As he danced,  he  sang
this verse:
      Glory to Sri Krsna Caitanya! Glory to Lord Nityananda!
Glory  to my spiritual master, Sri Prema-dasa! Glory to  the
bliss of devotional service!
      After  a long time of chanting and dancing the two  of
them  talked  about many things.  Saintly Prema-dasa  Babaji
humbly  said, "O great soul, please stay in this  Pradyumna-
kunja for some days and purify me."
      The saintly sannyasi replied, "I place my body in  the
service of your feet.  What to speak of a few days,  I  will
serve you to the end of my life. That is my wish."
     The saintly sannyasi was learned in all the scriptures.
He knew well the spiritual benefit to be attained by staying
in  the  spiritual  master's home  and  studying  under  his
guidance.  Therefore he very happily stayed for some says in
that forest grove.
      After some days the paramahamsa babaji said, "O  great
soul,  Sri Pradyumna Brahmacari Thakura kindly keeps  me  at
his  feet.  Today he is rapt in the worship of Lord  Nrsimha
in  the village of Deva-palli in the outskirts of Navadvipa-
mandala.   When we have finished our madhukari  begging  for
alms, let us go and see him.
     The saintly sannyasi replied, "As you order, so I shall
do."
      Crossing the Alakananda River, the two of them came to
Deva-palli  at  two  in the afternoon.  Then,  crossing  the
Suryatila  River,  they  saw  the  Supreme  Lord's  personal
associate  Sri  Pradyumna Brahmacari in the temple  of  Lord
Nrsimha.
     From a distance the paramahamsa babaji offered dandavat
obeisances to his spiritual master.  Melting with  love  for
the Lord's devotees, the saintly brahmacari at once left the
temple,  with  both hands lifted up the paramahamsa  babaji,
affectionately embraced him, and inquired about his welfare.
       After  a  long  talk  about  spiritual  matters,  the
paramahamsa  babaji  introduced the saintly  sannyasi.   The
saintly  brahmacari respectfully said, "You have attained  a
proper  spiritual  master.  You should learn  Prema-vaivarta
from  Prema-dasa.   It  is  said  (Sri  Caitanya-caritamrta,
Madhya 8.128):
       "Whether  one  is  a  brahmana,  sannyasi  or  sudra,
regardless  of what he is, he can become a spiritual  master
if he knows the science of Krsna."*
      Then  the  saintly  sannyasi humbly  offered  dandavat
obeisances to his parama-guru (the spiritual master  of  his
spiritual  master) and said, "O master, You are  a  personal
associate of Lord Caitanya.  Your glance of mercy can purify
hundreds  of  arrogant  sannyasis like  myself.   Please  be
merciful to me."
      The  saintly  sannyasi  was  not  experienced  in  the
relationships  among  devotees.  Still,  he  could  see  the
relationship of the guru and parama-guru, and he did act  in
the  way  a sincere disciple should to his spiritual master.
Then,  after  seeing  the sandhya-arati,  the  two  of  them
returned to Sri Godruma.
      After  some  days had passed in this way, the  saintly
sannyasi  desired  to  learn the spiritual  truth  from  the
paramahamsa  babaji.  Except for his garments, the  sannyasi
had  become  like the Vaisnavas.  Controlling his  mind  and
senses, and filled with a host of virtues, he had full faith
in  the  spiritual path.  In addition to that, he  was  very
humble  and he now had faith in the transcendental  pastimes
of the Supreme Lord.
      One morning, at sunrise, the paramahamsa babaji sat in
his  cottage  of  madhavi vines and chanted  his  rounds  on
tulasi  beads.   As  he remembered the  Lord's  pastimes  of
leaving  Vrndavana, tears flowed again and  again  from  his
eyes.   Now  aware  of  his  original  spiritual  form   and
forgetful  of his external material body, he became  engaged
in   a   service  appropriate  for  that  time  of  morning.
Approaching, the saintly sannyasi could see that the  babaji
was plunged in an ecstatic trance.
      Staring at the sannyasi, the paramahamsa babaji  said,
"O  gopi friend, please silence that monkey, so he will  not
break  the  happy  sleeping of our Radha-Govinda.   If  They
waken,  then our friend Lalita will be unhappy and she  will
rebuke  me.  Look! Ananga-manjari is signalling that  it  be
done.  You are Ramana-manjari.  This is the service given to
you.  Please be careful and attentive."
      Speaking  again and again in this way, the paramahamsa
babaji  finally  became unconscious.  Now understanding  his
identity in the spiritual world, the saintly sannyasi became
engaged in those services.
      Then  the  sun  rose  and the beauty  of  dawn  became
manifest.   The  birds  sang.   Gentle  breezes  blew.   The
morning  sunlight  made the cottage of  madhavi  vines  very
beautiful, beautiful beyond description.
      The paramahamsa babaji was sitting on a seat made from
banana  bark.  Gradually he regained external consciousness.
Then he continued to chant the holy names.  At that time the
saintly sannyasi offered dandavat obeisances to the feet  of
the babaji, humbly sat down beside him, and said, "O master,
this  lowly  person  has  a  question.   Please  answer  his
question  and  make his burning life cool and  happy  again.
Please  sprinkle the nectar of Vraja on his heart,  a  heart
burned by the fire of impersonalism."
     The babaji replied, "You are qualified to hear answers.
Please ask your question, and I will reply as I am able."
      The  sannyasi said, "O master, for many  days  I  have
heard  about religion.  I have asked many people  about  the
truth  of religion.  Sad to say, their answers were  not  in
harmony with each other.  Therefore I ask: What is the  true
duty of the individual soul?  Why do different teachers give
different explanations of the truth of religion?   If  there
is  only  one  truth, why do the philosophers not  agree  in
their opinions?"
      Meditating  on the feet of Sri Krsna Caitanya  Prabhu,
the  saintly babaji replied, "O fortunate one, as far as  my
understanding allows, I will tell you the truth of religion.
Please listen.
     "The eternal nature of a thing is its eternal religion.
The  religion of something comes from its original identity.
When Lord Krsna desires to create something, He creates  its
original  nature.   That  original  nature  is  its  eternal
religion.   However  when a thing comes  into  contact  with
other  things, its nature may become changed.    After  some
days  that changed state becomes firmly established  and  it
seems  to be the eternal nature of the thing.  However  this
changed nature is not in truth the real nature of the thing.
These  changed natures are called nisarga.  I will give  you
an  example of such a changed nature.  Water has an original
nature.   The original nature of water is that it is liquid.
However,  in contact with certain circumstance, that  nature
becomes  changed  and the formerly liquid water  may  become
solid ice.  That is the changed nature of water, which seems
to  be its original nature.  However, this changed nature is
not  eternal.  It is always temporary.  It is manifested for
some  reason,  it remains for some time, and  eventually  it
disappears  of  its  own accord.  On  the  other  hand,  the
original  nature  of  a  thing is eternal.   Even  when  the
changed  nature is manifested, the original nature  remains,
although  it  is  dormant.   In the  course  of  time,  when
circumstances are favourable, the original nature  is  again
openly manifested.
      "The  original  nature  of a thing  is  eternal.   Its
changed nature is temporary.  One who knows the truth  knows
the  difference  between the eternal and  temporary  nature.
One  who does not know the truth thinks the temporary nature
is eternal."
      Then  the  saintly sannyasi asked,  "You  speak  of  a
'thing'  (vastu).  What does this word mean?"
      The  paramahamsa replied, "The word 'vastu' is derived
from   the  verb  'vas'  (to  exist)  and  the  affix  'tu'.
Therefore that which exists is called 'vastu'.
      There  are two kinds of vastus: Things that  exist  in
reality  and  things  that do not exist  in  reality.   What
exists  in  reality are spiritual truths and  the  spiritual
goal  of  life.  What does not exist in reality are material
objects,  material qualities, and the like.  What exists  in
reality  exists  in truth.  What does not exist  in  reality
exists only in someone's mistaken belief.
      "When a person believes something it may be that  what
he  believes is the truth, or it may be that it is  only  an
illusion.  In Srimad Bhagavatam (1.1.2) it is said:
      "The  highest  truth  is  reality  distinguished  from
illusion for the welfare of all."*
      In  this way it is proved that the world of spirit  is
the  true  reality.  The Supreme Personality of Godhead,  is
the  only  reality.   From  Him the many  individual  spirit
souls,  who  are all his parts and parcels, are  manifested,
and  from  Him also the potency of illusion (maya)  is  also
manifested.
      "Therefore the word 'thing' (vastu) may be applied  to
three things:  1. the Supreme Personality of Godhead, 2. the
individual spirit souls and 3. the illusory potency  (maya).
These  three  things  exist in reality.   Knowledge  of  the
relationships that exist between these three things is  said
to be pure knowledge.
      "There  are  many different conceptions  of  the  true
natures of these three things.  These conceptions tend to be
full  of  errors.   The  vaisesika  philosophers,  in  their
categorisation of things and qualities, believe to  be  true
many things that are not true.
      "Things  that exist in true have specific  attributes.
These  attributes  determine their nature.   The  individual
spirit  souls  exist in truth.  The individual spirit  souls
have  specific attributes that are eternal.  These determine
the natures of the individual souls.
      Then the saintly sannyasi said, "O master, I yearn  to
understand this properly."
       Then  the  saintly  babaji  said,  "A  devotee  named
Krsnadasa  Kaviraja,  who has received  the  mercy  of  Lord
Nityananda, showed me a manuscript of a book he had written,
a  book named Sri Caitanya-caritamrta.  In that book (Madhya
20.108 and 117) Sri Mahaprabhu gives this instruction:
      "It is the living entity's constitutional position  to
be  an  eternal servant of Krsna because he is the  marginal
energy  of Krsna and a manifestation simultaneously one  and
different from the Lord.*
     "Forgetting Krsna, the living entity has been attracted
by the external feature from time immemorial.  Therefore the
illusory energy (maya) gives him all kinds of misery in  his
material existence."*
     "Lord Krsna is the totality of spiritual existence.  He
is like a sun from which many spiritual universes have come.
The  individual  spirit souls are rays of  light  from  that
Krsna-sun.  There are many individual spirit souls.
      "Someone may say, 'You say that the individual  spirit
souls  are parts of Lord Krsna.  This means that when He  is
broken  up  to  become  the individual spirit  souls,  Krsna
ceases to exist.  This is like a mountain that is broken  up
into many parts.  When it is broken in this way the mountain
ceases to exist.'
      "To this I reply, You cannot speak in that way.  If my
opponent  then protests, 'Why not?' then I reply: From  Lord
Krsna limitless individual souls are manifested as His parts
and  parcels.   Still,  Lord Krsna is  not  diminished  even
slightly because of that.
      "In all the Vedas it is said that the individual souls
are  like  sparks emanating from the blazing  fire  of  Lord
Krsna.   However none of these comparisons give a completely
accurate  picture of the real truth.  The  examples  of  the
great fire and the spark, the sun and the rays of light, and
the  alchemists  stone and gold do not describe  the  entire
situation.   Therefore, rejecting these material  analogies,
one   should  look  inside  his  heart  and  there  he  will
understand the truth of the soul's nature.
      "Lord  Krsna  is  the great spiritual  being  and  the
individual soul is the infinitesimal spiritual being.   Lord
Krsna and the individual soul are one in the sense that they
are  both  spiritual.  However, Lord Krsna is  the  complete
whole  and the individual souls are only parts of the whole.
That is the difference between them.
      "Lord  Krsna is the supreme master eternally, and  the
individual  spirit soul is His servant eternally.   In  this
way their natures are described.
       "Lord  Krsna  is  the  supreme  attractive,  and  the
individual spirit soul is attracted to Him.  Lord  Krsna  is
the  supreme controller, and the individual spirit  soul  is
controlled  by Him.  Lord Krsna sees all, and the individual
spirit soul is observed by Him.  Lord Krsna is perfect,  and
the individual spirit soul is poor and lowly.  Lord Krsna is
all-powerful,   and  the  individual  soul   is   powerless.
Therefore  the eternal nature or religion of the  individual
soul is to be a faithful servant of Lord Krsna eternally.
      "Lord Krsna is the master of limitless potencies.  All
these  potencies are perfectly manifested in  the  spiritual
world.   For the manifestation of the individual  souls  one
particular potency, the tatastha sakti is employed.
      "The  imperfect material universes are also manifested
by  one  of the Lord's potencies.  That is the same potency,
called the tatastha sakti.
      "This  potency creates a world where spiritual  beings
and  inanimate matter stay together in the same  realm.   In
this  way  it  creates  a kind of relationship  between  the
spiritual world and the material world.
     "Spirit, which is conscious and pure, and matter, which
is  inanimate,  are opposites.  Therefore it is  not  really
possible   for  the  conscious  spirit  soul   to   have   a
relationship with unconscious and inanimate matter.
      "The  individual soul is a small particle  of  spirit.
Nevertheless, one of the Supreme Lord's potencies makes some
individual  souls somehow have a relationship  with  matter.
The potency that does this is called tatastha sakti.
      "The place that exists between a river's water and the
dry  land is called tata (shore).  Such a place touches both
land  and  water.  In that place between land and water  the
attributes of both the land and water are manifested.
      "The  individual soul is spiritual.  Nevertheless  the
spiritual  soul may be placed under the control of inanimate
matter.
      "Thus  the  individual soul is not like the  spiritual
world,  which  never comes into contact  with  the  material
world.   Nor  is the individual soul like inanimate  matter.
In  this  sense  the individual soul is neither  spirit  nor
matter.  That is why it is true that the Supreme Personality
of  Godhead  and the individual spirit souls  are  different
beings eternally.
      "The  Supreme Personality of Godhead is the master  of
the  illusory potency maya.  Maya is under His control.   On
the  other  hand,  the individual spirit soul  may  in  some
circumstances  find  himself  under  the  control  of  maya.
Therefore the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the individual
spirit  souls  and  the  illusory  potency  maya  are  three
distinct entities eternally.
     "That the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the eternal
root of all existence is confirmed by the following words of
the  Vedas (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13 and Sevatasvatara Upanisad
6.13):
      The Supreme Lord is eternal and the living beings  are
eternal.
      Thus  the individual spirit soul is a servant of  Lord
Krsna  eternally.   The spirit soul is manifested  from  the
Lord's  tatastha sakti.  For this it may be  concluded  that
the   individual  spirit  soul  is  simultaneously  one  and
different from the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
      "The  individual soul may sometimes find himself under
the  control  of the illusory potency maya, but the  Supreme
Personality of Godhead is always the controller of maya.  In
this   way  the  individual  spirit  soul  and  the  Supreme
Personality of Godhead are different eternally.
      "The  individual soul is spiritual in nature  and  the
Supreme  Personality of Godhead is also spiritual in nature.
Thus  the  individual soul is one of the  potencies  of  the
Supreme Personality of Godhead.
      "On  the other hand, because he is part and parcel  of
Him,  the  individual soul is also not  different  from  the
Supreme Personality of Godhead eternally.
      "If the individual soul and the Supreme Personality of
Godhead are simultaneously one and different eternally, then
the eternal difference between them is most important.
      "The eternal nature and duty of the individual soul is
service  to  the  Supreme Personality  of  Godhead.   If  he
forgets  this duty, the individual souls comes under  maya's
control.   Then the soul stays away from Lord  Krsna.   That
staying away from Lord Krsna means that the soul enters  the
material world.
      "It  is  not  possible to give an  historical  account
describing  when,  in  time, the soul first  fell  into  the
material  world.   That is why it is said 'anadi-bahirmukha'
(the  living  entity  has  been attracted  by  the  external
feature from time immemorial).  This staying away from Krsna
and  the  time  of entering maya's world are both  different
from the soul's eternal nature.  They are perversions of it.
     "It is because he is in contact with maya and under her
control  that  the  soul's temporary  nature  and  temporary
duties  are manifested.  The eternal nature of the  soul  is
one,  unchanged,  and completely faultless.   The  temporary
natures, created by contact with the material world, are  of
great variety."
      After  speaking  these words, the saintly  paramahamsa
babaji  stopped and began to chant the names of  Lord  Hari.
After  hearing  this description of the truth,  the  saintly
sannyasi  offered dandavat obeisances and said,  "O  master,
today  I will think over all that you have said.  If I  have
any questions, tomorrow I will place them before your feet."
Chapter Two
Jiver Nitya-dharma Suddha O Sanatana
The Soul's Eternal Nature is Pure and Everlasting
      The  next morning saintly Premadasa Babaji was plunged
in  the  ecstasies of Vraja.  Although the saintly  sannyasi
wished  to  place some questions before him,  there  was  no
opportunity.  Then, in the afternoon, when they had finished
their  madhukari  begging of alms,  they  both  entered  the
cottage   of   madhavi  and  malati  vines.    The   saintly
paramahamsa  babaji then kindly said, "O best  of  devotees,
now that you have heard my explanation of the true nature of
the  soul,  what is your conclusion?"  Happy to  hear  these
words,  the  saintly  sannyasi  asked,  "O  master,  if  the
individual spirit soul is by nature only atomic in size, how
is  it possible that his eternal nature is pure and perfect?
If  the soul is created at a certain point in time, then the
soul's  nature  is also created at that time.   If  this  is
true,  how  can the soul's nature be eternally  existing  in
past, present and future?"
      Hearing this question the paramahamsa babaji meditated
on the lotus feet of Lord Caitanya, smiled and then replied,
"O  noble-hearted one, even though he is atomic in size, the
soul  is nevertheless perfect, pure and eternal.  His  being
atomic  is  only in relation to his substance.  The  Supreme
Personality of Godhead, Lord Krsnacandra, is alone great  in
substance.   The  multitude  of  individual  souls  are  His
limitless  atomic parts.  Although the fire  itself  is  not
broken up into parts, many tiny sparks come from it.  In the
same  way  Lord Krsna, the supreme conscious being,  is  not
divided   into  parts,  but  still  a  great  multitude   of
individual  spirit souls are manifested from Him.   As  each
spark has all the power of fire, so each individual soul has
all  the powers of consciousness.  As each spark has all the
burning powers of fire, and can, in the right circumstances,
start  a  fire  that  will  burn down  the  entire  material
universe, so each individual soul has the ability to fall in
love  with  Lord  Krsnacandra.  He has  the  ability  to  be
plunged in an ocean of love for Lord Krsna.  As long  as  he
is  not in touch with his original nature, the consciousness
and  atomic  soul  cannot manifest its natural  powers.   In
truth  the nature of the soul is considered in terms of  the
soul's  perception of others.  Thinking, 'What is the soul's
eternal nature?', one should carefully search for the truth.
The  soul's eternal nature is love.  Therefore the  soul  is
not   unconscious  or  inanimate.   It  is  different   from
unconscious  matter.  The soul's nature is to be  conscious.
The  soul's nature is to love.  In its pure state,  love  is
identical  with devotional service to Lord Krsna.  Therefore
love, manifested as devotional service to Lord Krsna, is the
original nature of the individual soul.
      The  individual soul may be situated in two states  of
existence  1. the soul's pure state and 2. the soul's  state
of  material bondage.  In the pure state the individual soul
is  manifested as pure spirit only, free of any contact with
inanimate  matter.  In  his pure state  the  soul  is  still
atomic,  and  for  this reason it is possible  that  he  may
change  his state of existence.  Because Lord Krsna  is  the
supreme  consciousness,  He  never  changes  His  state   of
existence.   In truth, Lord Krsna is supreme, perfect,  pure
and eternal.  In the conditioned state the individual spirit
soul is pathetic, broken and impure.  In his original state,
the  soul  is great, unbroken, pure and eternal.   When  the
individual  soul is in his pure state, his  pure  nature  is
manifested.  But when the individual soul is in contact with
the  illusory  potency maya, the soul's pure  state  is  not
manifested.  Then his original nature is perverted and he is
impure.  Then he does not take shelter of Lord Krsna.   Then
he  is  tormented  by happinesses and sufferings.   When  he
forgets  the  service of Lord Krsna, the soul finds  himself
situated in the material world of repeated birth and death.
     As long as he remains pure, the individual soul retains
his  original  nature,  then he understands  that  he  is  a
servant  of Lord Krsna.  However, when he comes into contact
with the illusory potency maya, the soul becomes impure.  In
that condition the understanding of Lord Krsna's service  is
diminished.   Then the soul accepts many different  material
bodies,  one after another.  When he is in contact with  the
illusory potency maya, the individual soul is covered  by  a
body of gross and subtle material elements.  First, the soul
identifies  himself with the subtle material body.   Second,
he  identifies himself with the gross material body.  Third,
he  identifies himself as the subtle and gross bodies  mixed
together.  In this way the soul's conception of his identity
becomes  changed.  In his pure state the individual soul  is
an unalloyed devotee of Lord Krsna.
     When he identifies himself as the subtle material body,
the  soul thinks of himself as the enjoyer of the fruits  of
his  work.   In  this way his conception  of  himself  as  a
servant   of  Lord  Krsna  becomes  covered  over   by   his
misidentification of himself as the subtle material body.
      When he identifies himself as the gross material body,
the  soul  thinks, 'I am brahmana'.  'I am a king'.   'I  am
poor.'   'I  am  unhappy.'  'I am defeated  by  disease  and
grief'.  'I am a wife'.  'I am a husband'.  Thus the  soul's
misidentification with the gross material body is manifested
in a great variety of ways.
      When  the  soul  thus has a false  conception  of  his
identity,  his  original  nature  becomes  perverted.    The
original  nature of the pure soul is pure love.   That  pure
love appears in the subtle material body in a perverted  way
as material pleasure, suffering, lust and hatred.  That pure
love  is  seen  in the gross material body in an  even  more
perverted  way as material eating, drinking, and a  host  of
other   so-called  pleasures  derived  from   contact   with
inanimate  matter.  In this way you can see that the  soul's
eternal  nature is manifested only when the soul is  in  his
pure  state  of  existence.  When the soul  is  situated  in
material  bondage,  only  the  soul's  temporary  nature  is
manifested.  Thus the eternal nature of the soul is that the
soul is perfect, pure, and eternal.  The temporary nature of
the soul I will describe in more detail on another day.
      In  the  scripture Srimad Bhagavatam  pure  devotional
service to Lord Visnu is described.  That devotional service
is  the  eternal  activity of the  individual  soul.   Three
different conceptions of the soul's nature are described  in
the material world.  They are: 1. the eternal nature, 2. the
temporary  nature  and  3. the nature that  contradicts  the
eternal nature.
      The  conception  that  rejects the  existence  of  the
Supreme Personality of Godhead and the eternal soul  is  the
third  of  these.  The conception that accepts the existence
of  the Supreme Personality of Godhead and declares that one
should employ temporary, material means to win His mercy, is
the  second of these, the conception of the soul's temporary
nature.  The conception that declares that by employing  the
activities  of  spiritual love one should strive  to  attain
direct  service  to Lord Krsna is the first  of  these,  the
conception of the soul's eternal nature.
      The  conception of the soul's eternal  nature  may  be
described   differently   in  different   countries,   among
different  peoples,  and in different languages,  but  these
descriptions  all refer to the same eternal  nature  of  the
soul.  Still, the Vaisnava religion followed in India is the
original form, the prototype of all these conceptions of the
soul's  eternal  nature.   And  the  form  of  the  Vaisnava
religion that Lord Caitanya, who is the son of Saci  and the
Lord  of our hearts, taught the world is the purest form  of
the  Vaisnava religion, the form that the great souls filled
with the bliss of pure spiritual love accept and follow."
     At this point the saintly sannyasi folded his hands and
said,  "O master, at every moment I see that what was taught
by  Lord Caitanya, the son of Saci, is the best form of  the
pure  Vaisnava  religion.  I also see  that  the  theory  of
impersonal  monism taught by Sankaracarya is  very  wretched
and horrible.
      "Still,  a thought has risen in my mind, a  thought  I
will  not  accept it unless it is first placed  before  your
feet.   It is this:  Is the state of deep ecstatic spiritual
love  revealed  by Lord Caitanya really different  from  the
state of merging into the impersonal Supreme?"
      When  he heard the name "Sankaracarya" the paramahamsa
babaji  at once offered dandavat obeisances.  Now  he  spoke
the  following  words: "O noble-hearted friend,  one  should
always   think:   'Sankaracarya  is  Lord   Siva   himself.'
Sankaracarya  is actually the spiritual master  of  all  the
Vaisnavas.  That is why Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu honours him
with the title acarya.  Sankaracarya is a perfect Vaisnava.
      "When Sankaracarya appeared in Bharata varsa there was
great  need  for  a guna-avatara of the Lord.   The  voidist
philosophy  of Buddha had already practically destroyed  the
teachings  of the Vedas and the duties of varnasrama-dharma.
Voidist  Buddhism even denied the existence of  the  Supreme
Personality  of  Godhead.   Although  it  did  hint  at  the
existence of the individual soul, Buddhism denied the soul's
true  eternal  nature.   At  that  time  the  brahmanas  had
practically  become Buddhists and practically abandoned  the
religion of the Vedas.
      "At  that  time  extraordinarily  powerful  Lord  Siva
descended as Sankaracarya to this world, re-established  the
authority  of  the  Vedas, and transformed voidist  Buddhism
into  the philosophy of Vedic impersonalism.  For succeeding
in  this extraordinary work, the world will be long indebted
to Sankaracarya.
      "Every  work  in this world may be considered  in  two
ways.   Some  work  is useful in the context  of  a  certain
period  of  time,  and other work is useful  for  all  time.
Sankaracarya performed work that was very important for that
particular period in history.
       From  his  efforts  many  good  results  came.    Sri
Ramanujacarya and Sri Madhvacarya built the palace  of  pure
Vaisnava religion on the walls and foundation created by Sri
Sankaracarya.  Therefore Sankaracarya is a great  friend  of
the  Vaisnava religion.  He is one of its founding teachers.
The  benefit  created  by  Sankaracarya's  teaching  is  now
enjoyed, without any effort on their part by the Vaisnavas.
     "Individual souls still in the grip of material bondage
urgently  need  to  understand their relationship  with  the
Supreme  Personality  of Godhead.  The  individual  soul  is
different from and superior to the gross and subtle material
bodies  in  the  material  universes.   The  Vaisnavas   and
Sankaracarya agree on this point.  They do not  disagree  on
the spiritual nature of the individual soul.
      "Liberation  is  defined as  becoming  free  from  the
material world. Both agree on this also.  Up to the stage of
liberation  Sankaracarya  and the Vaisnavas  agree  on  many
points.
      "By  worshipping Lord Hari one purifies his heart  and
attains liberation.  Sankaracarya teaches this also.
     "However, about the state of existence that is superior
to    impersonal   liberation   Sankaracarya   is    silent.
Sankaracarya knew well that if the individual soul  employed
the  worship of Lord Hari as the way to proceed on the  path
of  liberation, the soul would begin to taste the  pleasures
of  devotional  service and would eventually become  a  pure
devotee   of  Lord  Hari.   It  is  for  this  reason   that
Sankaracarya,  after showing the true path, did  not  reveal
anything more about the secrets of Vaisnava religion.
      "They who carefully study all his commentaries can see
that  this was Sankaracarya's hidden intention.  It is  only
they   who  waste  time  merely  circle  the  outskirts   of
Sankaracarya's teachings who stay far away from the Vaisnava
religion.
     "Being one with the Supreme Lord and attaining love for
Him  are,  in one sense, the same thing.  However, they  who
narrowly  define  oneness with the Lord claim,  that  it  is
different from love for the Lord.
      "Consider,  for  a  moment, the meaning  of  the  word
'love'.   The  think that attracts one spiritual  entity  to
another  spiritual  entity is called  'love'.   If  the  two
spiritual  entities  are not in truth  different  from  each
other, they cannot love each other.
      "All spiritual entities are naturally attracted to the
supreme spiritual entity, Lord Krsnacandra.  That attraction
is called krsna-prema, or love for Lord Krsna.
      "Lord Krsnacandra and the individual spirit souls  are
eternally distinct spiritual entities.  Therefore  the  love
they bear for each other is an eternal fact.
      "Three things exist eternally: 1. the enjoyer, 2.  the
enjoyed,  3. the way enjoyment is obtained.  If  the  person
who enjoys by loving another is identical with the object of
his  enjoyment or love, then the love he feels can never  be
eternal.
     "If oneness is defined as the spiritual living entity's
pure  state, where he is free from any contact with  matter,
then oneness and spiritual love are identical.
       "However,  the  present  day  pandita  followers   of
Sankaracarya  are not content to accept such  a  definition.
Instead  they undertake a great struggle to prove  that  the
Vedas  teach the existence of ultimately only one  spiritual
entity,  an  entity who transforms Himself  into  everything
exists.   Such a view kills the eternal existence  of  love.
The  Vaisnavas  have  conclusively  proved  that  this  view
contradicts the true teachings of the Vedas.
     "Sankaracarya affirmed that the pure spiritual state is
one  of perfect oneness.  However, his present-day followers
do  not  understand the hidden meaning of his  words.   Thus
they gradually ascribed to him a position not truly his own.
They  declared the various stages of pure spiritual love  to
be  products of the illusory potency maya.  It is  for  this
reason  that  their theory is called mayavada.   It  is  the
lowest and most horrible of all theories in the world.
       "The  mayavada  philosophers  refuse  to  accept  the
existence of more than one spiritual entity.  They refuse to
accept  the existence of spiritual love.  They say that  the
supreme  spirit  (brahman) stays aloof from matter  only  as
long as He remains one and undivided.  They say that when He
assumes  any  form  of  His own or the  forms  of  the  many
individual souls He is in the grip of illusion (maya).  Thus
they think that the eternal, pure and spiritual form of  the
Supreme  Personality  of Godhead is a manifestation  of  the
illusory potency maya.  They think the separate existence of
the individual spirit souls an illusion created by maya.
     Thinking that spiritual love and its manifestations are
all  products of the illusory potency maya, they affirm that
meditation  on the oneness of everything is the  only  thing
beyond maya's touch.  Thus these bewildered fellows' idea of
oneness is not at all the same as spiritual love.
      "However, the spiritual love Lord Caitanya  tasted  in
His  pastimes  and taught to the world is completely  beyond
the  touch  of the illusory potency maya. That love  is  the
highest fruit of pure spiritual oneness.
      Mahabhava  is a specific transformation of  that  pure
spiritual love.  It is a very intense form of the  bliss  of
pure   love   for  Lord  Krsna.   In  it  the   confidential
relationship  between the lover and the beloved  reaches  an
intensity  never  known  before.  On  the  other  hand,  the
mayavada  philosophy  is shallow and  unimportant.   It  can
never understand that exalted love."
     Then the saintly sannyasi respectfully said, "O master,
my  heart is filled with conviction that the mayavada theory
is  shallow and unimportant.  Any doubt I had about that  is
now thrown far away by your mercy.  Still, I myself wear the
garments of a mayavadi sannyasi.  Now I yearn to rid  myself
of them."
      The  saintly babaji replied, "O great soul, I  do  not
teach  that one should like or hate any particular  kind  of
garments.   When one's heart is purified, his garments  will
also become pure.  When a person gives great respect to  his
outward  garments,  it shows that he  does  not  give  great
attention to the condition of his heart.
     "In my opinion one should first purify his heart.  Then
he  may  adopt  the external activities and  garments  of  a
saintly person without committing an offense.
      "In  your heart become a sincere follower of Sri Krsna
Caitanya.   Then  you will naturally desire  to  accept  the
external  things  that are appropriate for  that  following.
Let that be the way you act.  Always remember these words of
Lord  Caitanya  Mahaprabhu (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta,  Madhya
16.238-239):
     "You should not make yourself a show bottle devotee and
become  a  false renunciant.  For the time being  enjoy  the
material world in a befitting way and not become attached to
it.*
      "Sri  Caitanya Mahaprahbu continued: Within your heart
you  should keep yourself very faithful, but externally  you
may  behave like an ordinary man.  Thus Krsna will  soon  be
very pleased and deliver you from the clutches of maya."*
       Understanding,  the  saintly  sannyasi  did  not  say
anything  more  about  changing his garments.   Folding  his
hands,  he  said, "O master, I am your disciple and  I  have
taken  shelter at your feet.  Whatever instruction you give,
I  will place on my head without argument.  By hearing  your
words I have understood that pure love for Lord Krsna is the
only  Vaisnava religion.  That love is the eternal  religion
of  the  soul.  That religion is perfect, pure and  natural.
How  should  I  regard the other religions  in  the  various
countries of the world?"
      The saintly babaji replied, "O great soul, religion is
one.  It is not two, and it is not many.  There is only  one
religion for the soul.  That religion is called the Vaisnava
religion.   There  is  no  reason  why  religion  should  be
different  for different languages, countries  and  peoples.
The  religion of the soul may be called by different  names,
but   it  is  not  possible  that  there  can  be  different
religions.   The religion of the soul is the pure  love  the
atomic  spiritual  entity bears for  the  supreme  spiritual
entity.   Because  of differing material  conceptions,  some
spirit souls have distorted that original religion and given
it  a  variety  of different shapes.  The pure and  original
form of the soul's religion is the Vaisnava religion.  Other
so-called  religions  are  merely  distorted  forms  of  the
Vaisnava  religion.  Other religions are pure to the  degree
that they are like the Vaisnava religion.
      "Some days ago, in Sri Vraja-dhama, I placed this same
question before the feet of Srila Sanatana Gosvami, who is a
personal  associate of Lord Caitanya.  "In the  religion  of
the Yavanas there is a word 'esk'.  Does this word mean pure
spiritual love, or does it not."  That was my question.  The
saintly  Gosvami  is learned in all scriptures,  and  he  is
especially learned in the language of the Yavanas.  In  that
language  his  learning has  no limit.  Srila Rupa  Gosvami,
Srila  Jiva  Gosvami, and many other learned  scholars  were
also  present  in  that  assembly.  Saintly  Srila  Sanatana
Gosvami kindly replied in these words:
      "Yes,  the  word 'esk' means love.  When  the  Yavanas
worship God they use the word 'esk'.  However 'esk' is often
used  to mean material love also.  Examples of this  may  be
seen  in  the history of Layala Manjanu and the writings  of
Hafiz.   The  Yavana acaryas could not understand  the  true
meaning  of  spiritual life.  When they write of 'esk'  they
mean  love  in terms of either the gross or subtle  material
bodies.    However,  they  could  not  distinguish   between
material  love and pure spiritual love, and they  could  not
understand  pure love for Lord Krsna.  I have  not  seen  an
accurate  description of spiritual love in any of the  books
of  the Yavana teachers.  I have seen them only in the books
describing  the Vaisnava religion.  The Yavana teachers  use
the word 'ru' to describe the pure individual soul.  However
they could not understand the soul in truth.  They used  the
word  'ru' to describe the conditioned souls bound by  maya.
That  was  all  they could understand.  I have  not  seen  a
description  of  pure love for Lord Krsna  in  any  but  the
Vaisnava  religion.  Generally speaking, pure love for  Lord
Krsna  is  described only in the books of Vaisnava religion.
Pure  love  for  Lord Krsna is described in these  words  of
Srimad Bhagavatam (1.1.2):
      "Completely  rejecting all religious activities  which
are  materially  motivated, this Bhagavata Purana  propounds
the highest truth..."*
      "I am confident that before Sri Krsna Caitanya came to
this  world, no one had given a complete description of pure
love  for  Lord Krsna.  If you have faith in my words,  then
you may accept this conclusion."
      "After  hearing these instructions, again and again  I
offered dandavat obeisances to Srila Sanatana Gosvami."   At
that time the saintly sannyasi offered dandavat obeisances.
     Then the paramahamsa babaji said, "O great devotee, now
I  will  answer your second question: Please listen with  an
attentive  mind.  The words 'the creation of the  individual
soul'  or  'the fashioning of the individual soul'  are  all
manifested by the illusory potency maya.  They are  material
words  that describe inanimate material things.   The  three
divisions  of time are: 1. past, 2. present and  3.  future.
These  divisions  refer to material time,  time  within  the
realm  of the illusory potency maya.  In the spiritual world
the  present exists eternally.  In the spiritual  world  the
past and future do not exist.  Lord Krsna and the individual
spirit soul exist in that eternal present.  In this way  the
individual soul is eternal and his original nature, which is
his  pure love for Lord Krsna, is also eternal.  Talk of the
individual  soul's  being  'created'  or  'fashioned'  is  a
misconception, mistakenly imposing the time patterns of  the
inanimate material world on a spiritual entity.  The  atomic
individual soul is spiritual and eternal.  He existed before
his  entrance  into  the  material world.   Because  in  the
spiritual world there is no past or future, whatever  exists
there exists in an eternal present.  Therefore the soul  and
its  nature  are both eternal.  They exist in  that  eternal
present.   I  am   only  describing  this  in  words.   Your
understanding will depend on your ability to understand  the
pure  spiritual  world.  I can only give a  hint  here.   In
spiritual  trance you will be able to see all this directly.
The  logic and argument of this material world will not help
you to understand it.  Your ability to directly perceive the
spiritual  world beyond the realm of matter will  depend  on
how  much  you can loosen the shackles of material  bondage.
In  the beginning you will see your own pure spiritual form.
By  again and again chanting the spiritual and holy names of
Lord  Hari,  you will come to understand the nature  of  the
soul.   By practicing astanga-yoga or following the path  of
the  impersonalists you will not be able  to  see  the  pure
spiritual nature.  By directly serving Lord Krsna  you  will
be  able  to  understand the eternal  nature  of  the  soul.
Therefore  you  should chant the holy  names  of  Lord  Hari
always  and with enthusiasm.  Only by chanting the names  of
Lord  Hari  will  you  make advancement in  spiritual  life.
Again and again chanting the holy name of Lord Hari for some
days,  you will eventually attain love for the holy name,  a
kind  of love you had never known before.  Accompanying that
love  will be direct perception of the spiritual world.   Of
all the different activities of devotional service, chanting
the  holy names of Lord Hari is the most important  and  the
most  quickly effective. In Krsnadasa Kaviraja's  delightful
books (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Antya 4.70-71) Lord Caitanya
Mahaprabhu teaches:
      "Among  the ways of executing devotional service,  the
nine  prescribed  methods are the best, for these  processes
have  great potency to deliver Krsna and ecstatic  love  for
Him."*
      "of the nine processes of devotional service, the most
important is to always chant the holy name of the Lord.   If
one  does  so, avoiding the ten kinds of offenses, one  very
easily obtains the most valuable love of Godhead."*
      "O great soul, if you now ask, 'Who is a Vaisnava?'  I
give  this  reply: A person who without offense  chants  the
holy  names of Lord Krsna is a Vaisnava.  The Vaisnavas  are
again divided into three groups: 1. kanistha (neophyte),  2.
madhyama (intermediate), and 3. uttama (advanced).  One  who
from  time to time chants the holy names of Lord Krsna is  a
neophyte  devotee. One who always chants the holy  names  of
Lord  Krsna is an intermediate devotee.  A person the  sight
of whose face causes others to chant the holy names of Krsna
is an advanced devotee.  Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu has taught
us  that one should not use any other criterion to determine
who is a Vaisnava."
      Diving into the nectar of these teachings, the saintly
sannyasi began to chant:
     Hare Krsna Hare Krsna
     Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
     Hare Rama Hare Rama
     Rama Rama Hare Hare
      Singing  these holy names, he danced again and  again.
From  that  day forward he found great pleasure in  chanting
the  holy  names of Lord Hari.  Offering dandavat obeisances
to  his  spiritual master's lotus feet, he said, "O  master,
please be merciful to this fallen person."
Chapter Three
Naimittik Dharma Asampurna, Heya, Misra O Acirasthayi
The   Soul's  Temporary  Duties  are  Imperfect,   Horrible,
Contaminated and Short lived
      Staying on a small hill in Godruma forest and  looking
to  the north, the saintly sannyasi spent the whole day  and
three hours of the night in chanting the holy names of  Lord
Hari.   Then the full moor rose and filled Navadvipa-mandala
with  a wonderful splendour and beauty.  The sannyasi placed
his glance on Sri Mayapura, which was not very far away.
      The  saintly  sannyasi said, "Ah! Now I  can  see  the
wonderfully  blissful spiritual abode.  The Ganga  shore  is
splendid,  garlanded  with  light  from  many  great   jewel
palaces,  temples, and archways.  In many  places tumultuous
chanting  of Lord Hari's holy names fills the sky.  Hundreds
of devotees playing vinas chant and dance like Narada Muni.
      "In  one  place Lord Siva, the master of the demigods,
manifests a white form.  Playing a dambaru drum, he  chants,
"O  Caitanya,  O  maintainer of  the  universes,  please  be
merciful to me!"  Wildly dancing again and again, he finally
falls to the ground.
      "In  another place four-faced Brahma lectures  on  the
Vedas  to  an assembly of sages.  He quotes and then  purely
explains these words (Svetasavatara Upanisad 3.12):
      "The Supreme Personality of Godhead is Mahaprabhu  who
disseminates transcendental enlightenment.  Just  to  be  in
touch  with  Him  is  to be correct with the  indestructible
brahmajyoti."*
     In another place Indra and the demigods jump and chant:
     "Glory to Lord Gauracandra! Glory to Lord Nityananda!"
     The birds on the branches chirp:
     "Caitanya! Nityananda!"
     "Everyone is intoxicated by drinking the nectar of Lord
Caitanya's  holy  names.   From  the  gardens  in  the  four
directions  come  sweet  humming  sounds.   Intoxicated   by
drinking  the nectar of Lord Caitanya's holy names, Prakrti-
devi  (the goddess of the material nature) fills every place
with  beauty  and splendour.  Ah! Now that  I  see  the  Sri
Mayapura, what can I not see?  What do I see now?"
      Remembering his spiritual master, he said, "O  master,
now I understand.  It is by your mercy that I am able to see
the  spiritual Mayapura.  From this day I will stay  in  the
association  of Lord Caitanya's devotees.  Now that  I  have
seen  the  spiritual  Mayapura, I will  wear  tulasi  beads,
tilaka, and the writing of the holy names.  This I will do."
Saying  this  again  and  again, the saintly  sannyasi  fell
unconscious for a moment.
      After a moment he became conscious again.  However  he
could  no longer see the wonderful spiritual vision  he  saw
before.  Weeping again and again, the saintly sannyasi said,
"I  am  very unfortunate.  By my spiritual master's mercy  I
was  able  for  a  moment  to see  the  holy  abode  of  Sri
Navadvipa."
     The next day the saintly sannyasi threw his ekadanda in
the  water,  placed  tulasi  beads  around  his  neck,  wore
Vaisnava  tilaka on his forehead, chanted "Hari! Hari!"  and
danced.   Seeing  his wonderful new garments and  demeanour,
and remarking how fortunate he had become, the residents  of
Godruma  offered  dandavat obeisances to him.   Embarrassed,
the  saintly  sannyasi said, "It is by the Vaisnavas'  mercy
that  I  am now dressed like a Vaisnava.  However, there  is
still  a  danger for me.  Again and again I  heard  from  my
spiritual master's mouth these words (Sri Siksastaka 3,  Sri
Caitanya-caritamrta, Antya 20.21):
      'One  who thinks himself lower than the grass, who  is
more  tolerant than a tree, and who does not expect personal
honour,  but  is  always prepared to give  all  respects  to
others,  can very easily always chant the holy name  of  the
Lord."*
      Then he remembered his Vaisnava spiritual master.   He
thought,  "I should offer my obeisances to him."  Again  and
again  thinking  in this way, he approached the  paramahamsa
babaji and offered dandavat obeisances to him.
      Sitting  in his cottage of madhavi vines, the  saintly
babaji  was chanting the holy names of Lord Hari  again  and
again.   Seeing  that  the saintly sannyasi  had  completely
changed  his garments and was chanting the holy  names  with
spiritual  love,  the  babaji again  and  again  bathed  his
disciple  with  the tears flowing from his eyes.   Embracing
him,  the  babaji said, "O Vaisnava dasa, by today  touching
your  perfectly  auspicious body, my life  is  now  a  great
success."
     When he heard these words, the saintly sannyasi at once
threw far away his previous name.  Now he accepted the  name
Vaisnava dasa.  From that day on the saintly sannyasi  began
a  new  life.   He  threw  far  away  his  mayavadi-sannyasi
garments and arrogant sannyasi name.  In the afternoon  many
residents  of  Sri  Pradyumna-kunja,  Sri  Godruma  and  Sri
Madhyadvipa  came  to  see the saintly  paramahamsa  babaji.
They  all  sat  in  a circle around the saintly  paramahamsa
babaji.   They  all chanted the holy names of Lord  Hari  on
tulasi  beads.  Some chanted "O Gauranga-Nityananda", others
chanted "O Advaita, husband of Sita!", others chanted "Glory
to  the son of Saci!"  Chanting again and again, their  eyes
became filled with tears.  All the Vaisnavas conversed about
spiritual    matters.     All   the   assembled    Vaisnavas
circumambulated  the  tulasi  plant  and  offered   dandavat
obeisances  to the assembled Vaisnavas.  Then Vaisnava  dasa
circumambulated the tulasi plant and then he rolled about in
the  dust that had touched the Vaisnavas' feet.  The saintly
Vaisnavas  said,  "This is not the same sannyasi.   Now  his
form is wonderful."
      Rolling  on the ground before the Vaisnavas,  Vaisnava
dasa said, "Today I have attained the dust of the Vaisnavas'
feet.   Now my life is a success.  By my spiritual  master's
mercy  I  have learned the truth.  Without the dust  of  the
Vaisnava's  feet, my future is not good.  The  dust  of  the
Vaisnava's  feet,  the  nectar water  that  has  washed  the
Vaisnavas'  feet  and  the  nectar  flood  touched  by   the
Vaisnavas'  lips are three medicines to cure the disease  of
repeated birth and death.  They cure the disease of repeated
birth  and  death.   When  he is cured  of  the  disease  of
repeated birth and death, a person enjoys great pleasure.  O
Vaisnavas,  formerly I was very proud of my great  learning,
but  today there is no pride in my heart.  I was born  in  a
brahmana family, I studied all the scriptures and I  entered
the  sannyasa-asrama.   In this way  my  pride  reached  the
highest  point.  When I was first attracted to the  Vaisnava
religion  the  seed of humbleness was planted in  my  heart.
Gradually, by your mercy, I have thrown far away the pride I
felt for my birth, learning and sannyasa.  Now in my heart I
know  that  I  am  only a small soul,  a  soul  without  any
shelter.  Without taking shelter of the Vaisnava's feet, for
me  there  is no hope.  My status as a brahmana, my learning
and my sannyasa were actually making me degraded: leading me
lower  and  lower.  Therefore I truly make this  request  at
your feet: "Please accept me as your servant."
      Hearing  Vaisnava dasa's humble words,  the  Vaisnavas
said,  "O best of the devotees, we are very eager to  attain
the  dust  from  the feet of Vaisnavas like  Vaisnava  dasa.
Please  be merciful and make out lives successful by  giving
us the dust of your feet.  You have attained the mercy of  a
saintly paramahamsa babaji.  Please give us your association
and  purify us.  Devotional service is attained by  one  who
associates  with devotees like yourself.  This is  confirmed
by the following words of Brhan-Naradiya Purana:
      "Devotional  service is attained by  associating  with
devotees.  The association of devotees is attained  by  past
pious deeds."
      "Therefore it is because in the past we performed many
devotional   pious   deeds  that  we  have   obtained   your
association.   Because we have attained your association  we
may now hope to attain true devotional service."
     Saintly Vaisnava dasa thus stayed among the devotees as
they  humbly offered obeisances to each other and  conversed
about  devotional service.  He looked splendid and  glorious
as  in  his  hands he held new beads for chanting  the  holy
names of Lord Hari.
      That  day  a  fortunate person came to that  group  of
Vaisnavas.   Since childhood he was able to read  and  write
the language of the Yavanas.  He imitated the activities  of
the Mohammedan kings and in their country he counted himself
one  amongst them.  His home was in Santipura.  He was  born
in  a brahmana family.  He associated with many wealthy men.
For many days he enjoyed all worldly pleasures, but they did
not  make  him happy.  At the end he turned to religion  and
began  chanting the holy names of Lord Hari.  When he was  a
child  he  had  studied  ragas  and  raginis  from  a  Delhi
classical music teacher.  He would employ this knowledge  in
melodiously singing the holy names of Lord Hari.   Gradually
he  became  famous  as  a singer and  musician  in  Vaisnava
circles,  and his sweet singing was in great demand.   After
some  days he began to understand the pleasures that  reside
in  the  Lord's  holy  names with the Vaisnavas  there.   He
stayed   at  a  Vaisnava's  asrama.   Accompanied  by   this
Vaisnava, he came to the cottage of malati and madhavi vines
in  Pradyumna-kunja.   Hearing from  Vaisnava  dasa  of  the
Vaisnavas'  saintliness and humbleness,  some  doubts  still
remained in his mind.  With boldness and eloquence he placed
a question before the assembled Vaisnavas.
     He asked, "In Manu-samhita and the other dharma-sastras
it  is said that the brahmanas are the best caste.  In those
scriptures  are  described  the brahmana's  regular  duties,
which begin with chanting the Gayatri mantra.  If these  are
the  regular activities of the best caste, then why are  the
duties of the Vaisnavas different?"
      The  Vaisnavas did not reply.  Afraid to dispute  with
this  brahmana  logician, they gave no  answer.   After  the
asker  of the question had sung the holy names of Lord Hari,
the  Vaisnavas finally said, "The saintly paramahamsa babaji
will answer your question.  His reply will make us happy."
      Hearing  the  order  of the assembled  Vaisnavas,  the
saintly  paramahamsa babaji offered dandavat obeisances  and
said,  "O  saintly devotees, if you wish, the  Sri  Vaisnava
dasa,  the  best of devotees, will give the proper  answer."
Everyone was happy with this proposal.
     Hearing his spiritual master's words, and reflecting on
his  own  good fortune, Sri Vaisnava dasa said, "I  am  very
fallen,  and  I  do  not  possess  anything  of  any  value.
Therefore  it  is not right that I speak very  much  in  the
assembly  of  the saintly and wise.  However, the  spiritual
master's  order  should  always be respectfully  carried  on
one's  head.  I have drunk the nectar of truth, nectar words
that  flowed from my spiritual master's mouth.  Therefore  I
will  repeat what I can remember of his words.  That I  will
do."   After speaking these  words, Vaisnava dasa placed  on
all  his  limbs  the  dust  from the  feet  of  the  saintly
paramahamsa  babaji.   Then, offering  dandavat  obeisances,
Vaisnava dasa spoke the following words:
      "The  original  form of the Supreme is  the  supremely
blissful Supreme Person (bhagavan).  The impersonal  Brahman
is  the effulgence of His transcendental body, and the  all-
pervading  Supersoul is His expansion.  Sri Krsna  Caitanya,
who is the abode of all glory, and all pastimes, taught this
to us.  The Manu-samhita and other dharma-sastras, which are
supplements  to  the original Vedas and which  explain  what
should  and  should not be done, should be followed  by  the
entire world.  The religious activities of human beings  are
of  two kinds: 1. vaidhi (spiritual rules and regulations to
be followed), and 2. raganuga (spiritual activities to which
one  is  naturally  attracted and which  one  performs  even
without  being  impelled  to do  so  by  the  rules  of  the
scriptures).   When he is under the control of the  illusory
potency  maya, the human being must perform vaidhi spiritual
activities.   When he is greed from maya's grip,  the  human
being  need  not perform vaidhi spiritual activities.   Then
his  spiritual  activities  are  raganuga.   Engagement   in
raganuga  spiritual  activities is the  pure  state  of  the
individual  spirit  soul, a state that  is  naturally  pure,
spiritual  and free from matter.  By Lord Krsna's  wish  the
pure  spirit soul may become free from the grip  of  matter.
However,  that is not Lord Krsna's wish.  However, from  the
day  Lord  Krsna does not wish that the individual  soul  be
liberated,  from  that  day the  soul  is  thrust  into  the
calamity  that is life in the material world.   When  he  is
thrust  into the calamity of material life, the soul  cannot
truthfully be liberated from the grip of matter.  When he is
truthfully liberated from the grip of matter, the pure  soul
naturally  engages in ragatmika spiritual  activities.   The
spiritual  activities of the people of Vraja are  ragatmika.
When  the  soul still resides in the calamity  that  is  the
material world, these activities are raganuga.  As  long  as
he engages in raganuga spiritual activities, the soul in the
material  world is happy.  As long as he does not engage  in
raganuga  spiritual  activities, the soul  in  the  material
world  is attracted to the illusions of maya.  Attracted  to
maya, the soul becomes bewildered.  Then he is not attracted
to  pure  spirit.  'It is 'I' and 'It is mine' are  the  two
conceptions  maya  thrusts upon the  soul.   Then  the  soul
thinks,  'This material body is mine' and 'I am this  body'.
In  this condition the soul loves persons who bring pleasure
to  his  material  body  and hates persons  who  thwart  the
brining  of  pleasure  to  his  material  body.   Thus   the
bewildered  soul  becomes a slave of love and  hatred.   The
bewildered soul thinks others are either his friends or  his
enemies  in three ways: 1. saririla (in relation to material
bodies)  2.  samajika  (in relation to  society  and  social
groups), and 3. naitika (in the context of ideas).  One  who
unlawfully desires gold and women will find himself a  slave
to  pleasures and pains.  That condition of life is  called:
samsara (the world of repeated birth and death).  One who is
attached to the world of samsara is subject to birth, death,
karmic  reactions, and a variety of living conditions,  some
high  and  some  low.   Thus  the souls  bound  by  material
illusion  wander  here  and there in  the  material  worlds.
However,  the  souls attracted to spirit do  not  experience
these  troubles.   They  do not experience  these  troubles.
They  who  are  attracted  to spirit  attain  their  eternal
spiritual nature.  They who forget they are by nature  small
particles  of  spirit  fall  down  into  the  experience  of
material  life.  Staying in the material world, they  suffer
many  misfortunes, although they think they  do  not  suffer
misfortunes at all.
      For  the  souls  bound  by  maya,  the  activities  of
ragatmika  are far away and the activities of  raganuga  are
not  accepted.  It is only by the mercy of a devotee of  the
Lord  that  the  activities of raganuga may  rise  within  a
conditioned  soul's heart.  The activities of  raganuga  are
rare and difficult to attain.  The residents of the material
world have been cheated of them.
      However,  the  Supreme Personality of Godhead  is  all
knowing  and  full  of  mercy.   He  sees  that  the   souls
imprisoned  by  maya  have been cheated by  their  spiritual
activities.  How will these souls attain auspiciousness?  By
what  means will the souls bewildered by maya remember  Lord
Krsna?   The  answer  is  that by associating  with  saintly
devotees  the  soul  is able to understand  that  he  is  in
reality  a  servant  of Lord Krsna.  The rules  of  ordinary
piety   do  not  enjoin  that  one  associate  with  saintly
devotees.   How, then, does one associate with devotees,  or
what  makes  one  desire to associate  with  devotees?   The
association of devotees does not generally happen  when  one
follows  the  path  of rules and regulations  (vidhi-marga).
That  is  not the way one comes to associate with  devotees.
It is from the merciful glance of the Supreme Personality of
Godhead  that  the scriptures are created.   Born  from  the
mercy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the sun of  the
scriptures rises in the sky of the devotee's heart.  In this
way the rules of piety are manifested.
      In  the  beginning is the Veda.  One part of the  Veda
teaches   fruitive   work,   another   part   transcendental
knowledge, and another part loving devotional service.   The
individual   souls  bewildered  by  maya  are  situated   in
different  states  of existence.  Some are very  bewildered,
some   are   a  little  enlightened,  and  some   are   very
enlightened.   In  this  way  the  conditioned  souls   have
different kinds of intelligence.  The Veda teaches all these
classes of souls.  Although one may consider that the  souls
have  an infinite variety of natures, still they are grouped
into  three broad categories: 1. those qualified to  perform
fruitive  work (karma), 2. those eligible for transcendental
knowledge (jnana), and 3. those eligible to engage in loving
devotional service (prema) to the Supreme Lord.   The  Vedas
thus  describes these three categories of eligibility.   The
Veda's description of what should and should not be done  by
these  three  classes of living entities constitute  Vaidhi-
dharma (the rules of religion).   When one actively performs
pious deeds that is called vaidhi-pravrtti. They who do  not
follow  the  rules of Vaidhi commit sinful acts.   Therefore
living  entities  should always avoid actions  that  violate
these  rules  and  regulations.  They who  are  outside  the
jurisdiction of the Vedas are called by the name mleccha and
by  other  names also.  The conclusion, then, is that  three
classes of living entities are qualified to follow the Veda.
For their benefit the great sages have written many books to
supplement  the  hymns of the Veda.  Manu and  twenty  other
sages  thus wrote the dharma-sastras to benefit the  persons
eligible  to perform pious fruitive work (karma).  Different
philosophers wrote books of logic and philosophy to  benefit
the  persons eligible for philosophical speculation (jnana).
The  great  devotees wrote the Puranas and pure  Tantras  to
teach  the persons eligible to engage in devotional  service
(bhakti) and to guide their actions.  This is the nature  of
all the Vedic literatures.  The philosophy of the mimamsakas
is  not  seen  anywhere in the original  scriptures.   Every
point  the mimamsakas claims shows the superiority of  their
idea  is easily thrown into a dark hole of counter-arguments
and  doubts.   In  all  the  scriptures  the  uttara-mimamsa
(Vedanta) philosophy is most clearly shown in Bhagavad-gita.
The teaching of karma that ignores jnana in an atheists kind
of  karma and that teaching should be rejected.  In the same
way  the teaching of karma and jnana that ignores bhakti  is
atheistic  karma and jnana.  There are only three  kinds  of
yoga:  karma-yoga, jnana-yoga and bhakti-yoga.  That is  the
Vaisnava description of the Veda's teachings.
      The  individual  soul bewildered by maya  first  takes
shelter of fruitive work (karma).  Then he takes shelter  of
karma-yoga.  At the end, when he comes to the conclusion  of
karma  yoga and jnana yoga, he takes shelter of bhakti yoga.
The soul bewildered by maya does not ascend only one step in
the staircase.  Ascending only one step of the staircase, he
cannot enter the temple of devotional service.
      What  is  taking  shelter of  fruitive  work  (karma)?
Fruitive work is the activity performed by the body and mind
while  one  is alive in the body.  Fruitive work is  of  two
kinds:  1.  auspicious, and 2. inauspicious.  By  performing
inauspicious  work  one  attains  an  inauspicious   result.
Inauspicious work is called either 'papa' (sin) or 'vikarma'
(evil work).  When one does not perform auspicious work that
is called 'akarma'.  Both of these are bad.  Auspicious work
is  good.   Work  is of three kinds: 1. nitya (regular),  2.
naimittika (occasional) and 3. kamya (desired).  Kamya work,
where  the  desire for personal benefit is  very  prominent,
should be avoided.  Nitya and naimittika work, on the  other
hand,  is  work  prescribed by scripture.  Considering  what
should  and should not be done, the scriptures explain  what
is  nitya, naimittika and kamya work.  Akarma (failure to do
auspicious work) and vikarma (inauspicious work) are not the
same  as  karma  (auspicious work).  When one  avoids  kamya
work,  then  his  work  is nitya or naimittika.   Work  that
brings auspiciousness to the body, the mind, other people or
humanity  at  large, is called nitya work.  Everyone  should
perform  nitya  work.   When work prompted  by  a  temporary
circumstance  is like nitya work in this way, it  is  called
naimittika work.  Chanting Gayatri, offering obeisances  and
cleanliness are activities that maintain one's own body  and
the welfare of society at large.  So also do honest dealings
and  protection of they who should be protected.  All  these
are  nitya  work.  Duties to one's deceased  parents,  other
like duties, and atonement of sins are all naimittika work.
      Nitya  and  naimittika work bring good to  the  world.
Therefore the great sages order that such auspicious work be
performed.  Considering the different natures of  the  human
beings,  they  thus describe what is called  the  varnasrama
system.  According to their natural tendency for work, human
beings  are thus divided into four classes: 1. brahmana,  2.
ksatriya,  3. vaisya, and 4. sudra.  In this material  world
there  are  also four other divisions, called asramas.   The
four asramas are: 1. grhastha, 2. brahmacari, 3. vanaprastha
and 4. sannyasi.  They who are fond of performing akarma and
vikarma  work are called antyaja (the lowest) and  nirasrama
(outside the asrama system).  The different varnas (classes)
are determined according to 1. birth, 2. nature, 3. work and
4  qualities.  Whenever the varnas are determined by  birth,
the meaning of the varnasrama system is lost.  The different
asramas  are determined according to these states: 1.  being
married,  2.  not being married, and 3. the renunciation  of
association  with women.  They who are married  are  in  the
grhastha  asrama.   They  who are not  married  are  in  the
brahmacari asrama.  They who have renounced association with
women  are in the vanaprastha and sannyasa asramas.  Of  all
the  asramas, the sannyasa asrama is the best.  Of  all  the
varnas,  the  brahmana  varna is  the  best.   This  is  all
described  in  the  crest  jewel of all  scriptures,  Srimad
Bhagavatam (11.17.15-21) in the following words:
      "The various occupational and social division of human
society  appeared according to inferior and superior natures
manifest in the situation of the individual's birth.***
      "Peacefulness,  self-control, austerity,  cleanliness,
satisfaction,    tolerance,   simple    straightforwardness,
devotion  to  Me,  mercy and truthfulness  are  the  natural
qualities of the brahmanas.***
       "Dynamic   power,  bodily  strength,   determination,
heroism, tolerance, generosity, great endeavour, steadiness,
devotion  to  the brahmanas, and leadership are the  natural
qualities of the ksatriyas.***
      "Faith  in Vedic civilisation, dedication to  charity,
freedom  from  hypocrisy,  service  to  the  brahmanas,  and
perpetually  desiring  to  accumulate  more  money  are  the
natural qualities of the vaisyas.***
      "Service  without  duplicity to the  brahmanas,  cows,
demigods,  and other worshipable personalities and  complete
satisfaction  with  whatever  income  is  obtained  by  such
service, are the natural qualities of sudras.***
       "Dirtiness,   dishonesty,  thievery,   faithlessness,
useless  quarrel, lust, anger, and hankering constitute  the
nature   of  those  in  the  lowest  position  outside   the
varnasrama system.***
      "Non  violence, truthfulness, honesty, desire for  the
happiness  and welfare of all others and freedom from  lust,
anger,  and  greed  constitute duties  for  all  members  of
society."***
      In  the  assembly of the wise, everyone can understand
the  meaning of the scriptures.  Therefore I shall not  give
any  comment  on  these words.  I will only  say  this:  The
duties  of  varna and asrama are the root of  following  the
scriptures  rules and regulations (vaidha).   A  country  is
impious to the degree it does not follow varnasrama.
      "Now  let  us  consider: How  are  the  words  'nitya'
(eternal)  and 'naimittika' (temporary) used here  with  the
word  'karma'?   If  we  consider the deep  meaning  of  the
scriptures, we will see that these two words do not refer to
the supreme spiritual goal of life.  The terms are used with
ordinary, or material meaning.
      "Words  like 'nitya-karma', 'nitya-tattva' and 'nitya-
sattva'  may  be  applied only to the soul's pure  spiritual
position.   They  cannot be used to refer to anything  else.
Therefore  when the word 'nitya is used to modify  the  word
'karma' that 'nitya karma', seemingly of the material world,
indirectly  refers  to the eternal spiritual  reality.   The
karma of the material world is never eternal.  When karma is
employed  in karma yoga, karma yoga leads to the search  for
jnana   (knowledge)  and  that  search   leads   to   bhakti
(devotional  service),  then that karma  and  jnana  may  be
called  'nitya' because they lead to something that actually
is nitya.
      "Therefore a brahmana's chanting of the Gayatri mantra
is  called  a 'nitya karma' because, even though  it  is  an
activity in relation to the material body, it does  have  an
oblique   reference  to  the  path  of  devotional  service.
Therefore these things may be called 'nitya' even though  in
themselves  they are not really 'nitya'.  Such  a  usage  is
called 'upacara' (a figure of speech).
      "The word 'nitya karma' can be applied truthfully only
to  krsna-prema (pure love for Lord Krsna).  The word 'nitya
karma'  can be applied truthfully only to the realm  of  the
spirit.  When the activities of this material world are used
for  advancement in spiritual life, those activities may  be
called  'nitya  karma'.  There is nothing  wrong  with  that
usage.  However, one who sees the truth does not call  these
activities  'nitya'  (eternal).  He  prefers  to  call  them
'naimittika'  (temporary).  It is not really true  that  the
words  'nitya  karma'  and naimittika karma'  may  refer  to
materialistic activities.
      "In  truth, the eternal nature of the soul  is  purely
spiritual.  The religion that describes the pure soul is the
real  eternal religion.  All other religions are  temporary.
Varnasrama dharma, astanga yoga, sankhya and austerities are
all temporary.  If an individual spirit soul is not bound by
maya, there is no need for him to follow any of these paths.
These   temporary  religions  are  meant  only   for   souls
bewildered  by maya.  All these religions are  intended  for
certain specific circumstances.  Therefore the truth is that
they are all temporary.
      "The brahmanas are the best of the social classes, the
brahmana'  duty  is  to chant the Gayatri  mantra,  and  the
sannyasi's  duty is to renounce other duties.   However  all
these duties are temporary.  All these duties are praised by
the  dharma-sastras, and they are good  for  some  spiritual
aspirants.   Still, they are not in any  way  equal  to  the
eternal  duties  of  the  soul, Srimad  Bhagavatam  (7.9.10)
explains:
      "If  a  brahmana  has all twelve  of  the  brahmanical
qualifications (as they are stated in the book called Sanat-
sujata) but is not a devotee and is averse to the lotus feet
of  the Lord, he is certainly lower than a devotee who is  a
dogeater  but  who has dedicated everything -  mind,  words,
activities, wealth and life - to the Supreme Lord.   Such  a
devotee  is better than such a brahmana because the  devotee
can  purify his whole family, whereas the so-called brahmana
in a position of false-prestige cannot purify even himself.*
      *The  twelve brahmanical qualifications here  are:  1.
truthfulness, 2. self-control, 3. austerity, 4. freedom from
envy,  5. modesty, 6. tolerance, 7. freedom from malice,  8.
sacrifice, 9. charity, 10 steadiness, 11. hearing the Vedas,
and  12.  observing  vows.  A brahmana who  possesses  these
twelve  qualities  should be honoured  by  everyone  in  the
world.  However, if a brahmana has all these qualities,, but
has  no  devotion  for  Lord Krsna, then  that  brahmana  is
degraded.   Even a devotee who is a dogeater is better  than
such  a  brahmana.   The meaning here is that  the  dogeater
referred  to is a person who has taken birth in  a  dogeater
family,  but  by  association with saintly  persons  becomes
purified   (samskara),  and  because  of  that  purification
engages  in  the eternal spiritual activities of  the  soul.
The  brahmana  referred to here is a person  who  has  taken
birth  in  a  brahmana family, but is averse to the  eternal
activities  of  the soul, and prefers to perform  temporary,
material  activities in their stead.  Than such a  brahmana,
such a dogeater is better.
      "Human beings in the material world are of two  kinds:
1.  the intelligent, and 2. the unintelligent.  The material
world   is   filled   with   unintelligent   human   beings.
Intelligent human beings are rare.  Among such unintelligent
persons, the brahmanas are the best, and thus the duties  of
the brahmanas, such as their chanting of the Gayatri mantra,
are the best of these kinds of duties.  'Intelligent person'
is a synonym for the word 'Vaisnava'.  The activities of the
Vaisnavas  and the activities of unintelligent  persons  are
inevitably  very  different.  However the teachings  of  the
Vaisnavas  and the teachings of the unintelligent  followers
of  the smrti-sastras (the so-called smartas) are not really
opposed to each other.  The teachings of the scriptures  are
always  in  harmony  with each other.   Intelligent  persons
accept  the scriptures as their friends.  They do not  think
that  the different duties described in the scriptures  have
different purposes in the end.  The duties prescribed in the
scriptures for unqualified persons are indeed different from
the  duties  prescribed for the intelligent.   Still,  these
different  activities have the same purpose at  their  root.
For  the  unintelligent the scriptures  prescribe  temporary
duties  as most appropriate.  However, temporary duties  are
all imperfect, horrible, contaminated and short lived.
      "These  temporary duties are not the same as  directly
spiritual  duties.  Temporary duties may  be  accepted  when
they  follow  the  spiritual path.  Then they  help  one  to
attain  the spiritual nature.  When the means does not  lead
to  the  goal, the means should be rejected.  Therefore  the
means  is  not complete in itself.  It is merely a  part,  a
separated   fragment  of  what  will  be  the  final   goal.
Therefore temporary duties are not complete.  For example, a
brahmana's chanting Gayatri, like his other duties as  well,
is subjected to various rules and meant to be performed only
at  certain  specified  times.  All  these  duties  are  not
manifested  from  the  soul's natural spiritual  activities.
However,  after many days of following such rules  a  person
may  become  purified by associating with saintly Vaisnavas.
Then  he  develops a liking for the spiritual holy  name  of
Lord  Hari.   At  that  time  he  does  not  continue  other
activities,  such as the chanting of Gayatri.  Chanting  the
holy  name  of Lord Hari is the perfect spiritual  activity.
The  chanting of Gayatri and other like activities are  only
various  means to attain the goal, which is the chanting  of
Lord  Hari's holy name.  Therefore these activities are  not
the  final  perfection.  Saintly persons  teach  that  these
temporary duties, while honourable in themselves, are  still
imperfect,  horrible, contaminated, and  short  lived.   The
spiritual  truth is the final goal.  Because they bring  one
into  contact with matter and materialists, temporary duties
are horrible for the individual souls.  Temporary duties are
very  material.   Temporary  duties  bring  with  them  many
irrelevant  results.  The individual soul naturally  attains
these  results.   Even though he does not wish  these  petty
results, he cannot escape them.
      "For  example,  that a brahmana worships  the  Supreme
Personality  of Godhead is good.  However, a brahmana  tends
to  think, 'I am brahmana.  Other souls are inferior to me."
Such  a falsely brahmana finds that his worship of the  Lord
brings  a  horrible  result.   Mystic  powers  obtained   by
practicing  astanga-yoga also bring horrible results.   They
are  very  inauspicious for the individual souls.   Material
sense  gratification and impersonal liberation are  the  two
unavoidable  friends of temporary duties.  Only  if  he  can
cheat  these  two will the individual soul attain  his  root
spiritual  nature.   Therefore  temporary  duties  are  very
horrible for the individual soul.
     Temporary duties are short lived.  The soul's temporary
duties  are  not performed in all situations and all  times.
For  example:  a  brahmana's brahmana nature,  a  ksatriya's
ksatriya nature, and other like natures also, are manifested
because of a particular cause.  When the cause ceases to be,
these  natures  vanish.  A person may  in  one  birth  be  a
brahmana  and in the next birth an outcaste.  Therefore  the
duties  of the brahmana caste are temporary.  They  are  not
the original duties of the soul.  Therefore in reference  to
temporary  duties the phrase 'own duty' is only a figure  of
speech.   That  is  why in every birth a soul's  'own  duty'
changes.   However, in none of these births does the  soul's
eternal  duty ever change.  This eternal duty is the  soul's
true 'own duty'.  Temporary duties are all short lived.
      "If  one asks, 'What are the duties of the Vaisnavas?'
then  I answer: The Vaisnavas' duties are the eternal duties
of the soul.  When he is liberated from the world of matter,
the  Vaisnava soul attains his pure spiritual body, and with
that  body he engages in devotional activities that  express
his  spiritual love for Lord Krsna.  When he resides in  the
material  world,  a  person who is intelligent  respectfully
accepts all that advances his spiritual life and rejects all
that hinders it.  He does not blindly follow the orders  and
prohibitions   of  the  scriptures.   When  the   scriptures
encourage devotion to Lord Hari, then such a person  happily
accepts those teachings.  When the scriptures' teachings  do
not   encourage  devotion,  he  does  not  dishonour   those
teachings.   In  the  same way a Vaisnava  also  honours  or
rejects  the  prohibitions  taught  in  the  scriptures.   A
Vaisnava is the best person in the world.  A Vaisnava is the
friend  of  everyone  in  the  world.   A  Vaisnava  is  the
auspiciousness of the world.  In this way I have humbly said
all  I  wish to say to this assembly of Vaisnavas.  May  the
Vaisnavas wash away all my faults and mistakes."
      After  speaking  these  words, Vaisnava  dasa  offered
dandavat  obeisances to the Vaisnava assembly, and then  sat
down  to  one  side.  The Vaisnavas' eyes were  filled  with
tears.  With one voice the Vaisnavas called out, "Well done!
Well  done!"  The four directions of Godruma  forest  echoed
with "Well done! Well done!"
      The  brahmana singer who had first asked the  question
could  see  deep  truth in many of the speaker's  arguments.
Although he still had some doubts, the seed of faith in  the
Vaisnava religion had been very firmly planted in his  mind.
With  folded  hands he said, "O great souls,  I  was  not  a
Vaisnava.  Again and again hearing Lord Hari's holy names, I
have  now become a Vaisnava.  If you are merciful and  teach
me a little more, all my doubts will go far away."
      Then  Sri Prema dasa, the saintly paramahamsa  babaji,
mercifully  said, "Stay with Sriman Vaisnava  dasa.   He  is
learned  in  all  the  scriptures.  At  Varanasi  he  deeply
studied  Vedanta-sutra  and  accepted  sannyasa.    By   the
limitless  mercy of Sri Krsna Caitanya, who is the  Lord  of
our  lives, he was attracted to Sri Navadvipa.  He knows all
the  truths  of the Vaisnava religion.  Deep love  for  Lord
Hari's holy names has taken its birth within him.
      The  questioner  was a pious man  named  Sri  Kalidasa
Lahiri.  Hearing the saintly babaji's words, in his heart he
accepted Vaisnava dasa as his spiritual master.  In his mind
he  thought, "This person was born in a brahmana family  and
he  accepted  sannyasa.  Therefore he  is  fit  to  teach  a
brahmana.  Also, I see that he has deeply entered the truths
of  Vaisnava religion.  From him I will learn much about the
Vaisnava  religion.  Thinking in this way,  Lahiri  Mahasaya
offered dandavat obeisances at Sri Vaisnava's feet and said,
"O great soul, please be merciful to me."  Offering dandavat
obeisances  to  him,  Vaisnava dasa  replied,  "If  you  are
merciful to me, then I have attained my wish."
     With sunset approaching, everyone returned to their own
places.
      Lahiri Mahasaya's home was in a secluded part  of  the
village.  It was in a grove.  In the middle was a cottage of
madhavi vines and a platform of tulasi-devi.  There were two
rooms,  one  on  each side.  The yard was hedged  with  cita
bushes.   With a bela tree, nim tree, and some  other  trees
bearing  fruits  and flowers, the place was  charming.   The
proprietor of that grove was named Madhava dasa Babaji.   At
first  the  babaji  had  been  a  good  soul,  but  by   bad
association  he had fallen away from the Vaisnava  religion.
Because of improper association with a woman, his devotional
practices were now dwarfed.  Pushed by poverty, he could not
live  happily.  He begged in many places and rented out  one
of his rooms.  Lahiri Mahasaya was now staying in that room.
     In the middle of the  night Lahiri Mahasaya's sleep was
broken.   Again  and again he thought of what Vaisnava  dasa
Babaji  had  said.  Then he heard a sound in the  courtyard.
Coming outside, in the courtyard he saw Madhava dasa talking
with   the   woman.   Seeing  him,  the  woman  disappeared.
Embarrassed  before  Lahiri  Mahasaya,  Madhava  dasa  stood
motionless.
     Lahiri Mahasaya said, "Babaji, what's wrong?"
      Tears  in  his  eyes,  Madhava  dasa  replied,  "O  my
misfortune!  What more can I say?  What was I in  the  past?
What  am  I  now?   How  much faith the saintly  paramahamsa
babaji had in me!  Now I am ashamed even to come near him."
      Lahiri Mahasaya said, "If you tell me clearly,  I  can
understand."
      Madhava  dasa said, "The woman you saw was my  married
wife  in  my  former asrama.  A few days after I accepted  a
life of renunciation, she came to Sri Santipura and lived in
a  cottage she built by the Ganga's shore.  Many days passed
in that way.  Walking by the Ganga's shore at Sri Santipura,
I saw her and said, 'Why did you leave your home?'  She told
me,  'Material life is not good.  Now that I  am  robbed  of
your  feet, I will stay at a holy place and beg alms.'   Not
saying anything more, I slowly returned to Sri Godruma.   At
Sri  Godruma  I  eventually stayed at  a  Sad-gopa's  house.
Every  day,  at some place or other, I would see  her.   The
more  I tried to avoid her, the more she tried to come  near
me.   Now  she stays at an asrama.  She comes late at  night
and  tries  to  ruin  me.   Now I  am  infamous  everywhere.
Because I now associate with her, my devotional service  has
become  dwarfed.  I am a cinder that blackens the family  of
Sri  Krsna  Caitanya's servants.  Since the  time  of  Chota
Haridasa's  punishment,  I am the deserving  of  punishment.
Being  merciful,  the  babaji of Sri Godruma  have  not  yet
punished me, but they do not trust me.
      Hearing these words, Lahiri Mahasaya said, "Take care,
O  Madhava  dasa  Babaji".  After speaking these  words,  he
entered the house.  The babaji sat on his own seat.
      Lahiri  Mahasaya could not sleep.  Again and again  he
thought, "Madhava dasa Babaji has fallen down.  He  is  like
one  who  eats  his own vomit.  I should not  stay  in  this
house.   Why not?  Even if I do not fall down by associating
with him, I will be criticised by others.  Not trusting  me,
the pure Vaisnavas will not teach me.
     At sunrise he went to Pradyumna-kunja, properly greeted
Sri  Vaisnava  dasa  and asked for a place  to  stay.   When
Vaisnava  dasa  informed the saintly paramahamsa  babaji  of
this request, the babaji said he could stay in a cottage  on
one  side  of  the forest.  Lahiri Mahasaya stayed  in  that
cottage and arranged to get prasadam at the home of a nearby
brahmana.
Chapter Four
Nitya-dharmer Namantara Vaisnava-dharma
Another  Name  for  the  Eternal Religion  is  the  Vaisnava
Religion
      The cottage of Lahiri Mahasaya and the cottage of  Sri
Vaisnava  dasa stood side by side.  Nearby were  some  mango
and  kanthala trees.  Some betel plants gracefully  enclosed
the  place  on  four sides.  In the courtyard  was  a  large
circular terrace.  The terrace had been there since the days
when Pradyumna Brahmacari lived there.  Many days since then
the  Vaisnavas  came to call that place "Surabhi's  Terrace"
and   became  accustomed  to  circumambulate  it  and  offer
dandavat obeisances.
      It was shortly after dusk.  Sitting on a leaf-seat  in
his  cottage,  Sri Vaisnava dasa chanted the holy  names  of
Lord  Hari.   It  was  the dark fortnight.   The  night  was
gradually becoming dark.  A flickering lamp burned in Lahiri
Mahasaya's  cottage.  Seeing a snake at his doorway,  Lahiri
Mahasaya  quickly trimmed the lamp and took up  a  stick  to
kill  the snake, but when he came outside with his  lamp  he
did  not  see  the  snake.   Then Lahiri  Mahasaya  said  to
Vaisnava  dasa,  "Take  care.   A  snake  has  entered  your
cottage."  Vaisnava dasa replied, "Why do you worry about  a
snake?   Come.   Enter  my  cottage without  fear."   Lahiri
Mahasaya  entered  the cottage and sat  on  the  leaf  seat.
Still,  his mind was agitated about the snake.  He  said  "O
noble-hearted one, Santipura is very good in this  way.   It
is  a  city and there is no fear of snakes or other dangers.
In  Nadiya  there  is  always fear  of  snakes.   Especially
Godruma  and  the other forest places.  It  is  hard  for  a
gentleman to live in those places.
      Sri  Vaisnava dasa babaji replied, "O Lahiri Mahasaya,
It is foolish to let the mind be agitated over these things.
You  must have heard the story of Maharaja Pariksit  in  the
Srimad  Bhagavatam.  Giving up all fear of snakes,  with  an
unagitated  mind he heard nectar descriptions of  Lord  Hari
from  the mouth of Srila Sukadeva Gosvami.  In this  way  he
attained  transcendental bliss.  No snake can kill  a  man's
spiritual  body.  The spiritual body is bitten only  by  the
snake  of separation from hearing the nectar topics  of  the
Supreme  Lord.  The material body is not eternal.  Some  day
you  must give it up.  One may do everything to maintain his
material  body.   Still,  whenever Lord  Krsna  wills,  that
material body will certainly collapse, and one will  not  be
able to protect it.  If the time of one's death has not  yet
come, one may even sleep beside a snake, but the snake  will
not harm him.  Therefore one who gives up fear of snakes  or
other  dangers  may  be called a true Vaisnava.   If  it  is
afraid  of  every danger, the mind will always be restless..
How  can  a restless mind always think of Lord Hari's  lotus
feet?   Therefore one should abandon all fear of snakes  and
all attempts, born from that fear, to kill snakes.
      Becoming a little faithful, Lahiri Mahasaya  said,  "O
saintly one, your good words have made my heart fearless.  I
know  that only a person with a noble heart is qualified  to
attain the final goal of life.  The great souls who stay  in
mountain  caves and worship the Lord there are never  afraid
of  wild animals.  On the contrary, it is because they  fear
the   association   of  materialistic  persons   that   they
voluntarily live in the forest surrounded by wild animals."
      The  saintly babaji then said, "When Bhakti-devi  (the
goddess  of devotional service) appears in someone's  heart,
that heart naturally becomes exalted.  The whole world loves
such a person.  Saints and ruffians alike, everyone loves  a
devotee  of  the Lord.  Therefore every human  being  should
become a Vaisnava."
      Hearing this, Lahiri Mahasaya said, "You have given me
great  faith in the eternal religion.  The Vaisnava religion
is  very  close to the eternal religion.  That is my belief.
I  am not convinced that the Vaisnava religion is completely
identical with the eternal religion.  Therefore I ask you to
tell  me  what you think of all this.  Vaisnava dasa  babaji
then said:
      "In  this  material world two different religions  are
called  by the name the Vaisnava religion.  One is the  pure
Vaisnava religion and the other is the contaminated Vaisnava
religion.  The pure Vaisnava religion is one, although it is
divided  into four according to the different  rasas.   Thus
there  is  the Vaisnava religion in servitorship (dasya),  a
Vaisnava   religion  in  friendship  (sakhya),  a   Vaisnava
religion   in  parental  love  (vatsalya),  and  a  Vaisnava
religion  in  conjugal  love (madhurya).   Still,  the  pure
Vaisnava  religion  is one.  It is not many.   'The  eternal
religion' and 'the transcendental religion' are merely other
names for the Vaisnava religion.  The Sruti sastra declares:
      "By understanding the Supreme, one comes to understand
everything."
      "These  words  refer to the Vaisnava  religion.   This
truth will gradually be revealed to you.
     "The contaminated Vaisnava religion is of two kinds: 1.
Vaisnava religion contaminated by fruitive work (karma)  and
2.  Vaisnava  religion  contaminated  by  the  impersonalist
fallacy (jnana).  The activities of the Vaisnava religion as
conceived  by the smarta panditas are the Vaisnava  religion
contaminated  by  fruitive  work.   Although   it   includes
initiation  in  chanting a Visnu-mantra, this conception  of
the  Vaisnava  religion belittles the all-pervading  Supreme
Personality of Godhead and makes Him subordinate to fruitive
work.   According  to these people, even though  He  is  the
master  of all the demigods, Lord Visnu is merely a part  of
the  process of karma and is Himself subject to the laws  of
karma.   Thus karma is not subordinate to the will of Visnu,
but Visnu is subordinate to the will of karma.  According to
them  all worship and spiritual practices are merely various
aspects  of fruitive work, and therefore nothing  is  higher
than   fruitive  work.   This  form  of  Vaisnava   religion
according  to  the conception of the mimamsaka  philosophers
has  existed for many days.  In India many follow this idea,
and  they  claims to be Vaisnavas.  They do not  accept  the
pure  Vaisnavas  to  be  Vaisnavas  at  all.   Such  is  the
misfortune of the mimamsakas.
     Vaisnava religion contaminated by impersonal philosophy
is    also   prevalent   in   India.    According   to   the
impersonalists,   in   order  to  attain   the   qualityless
impersonal Brahman one should worship Surya, Ganesa,  Sakti,
Siva or Visnu.  Then, when one attains perfect knowledge, he
can  discard the form that he had worshipped.  Then, at  the
end,   he   attains  the  qualityless  impersonal   Brahman.
Accepting  these  ideas,  many persons  dishonour  the  pure
Vaisnava religion.  The worship of Lord Visnu is included in
the  impersonalists worship of five Deities (Surya,  Ganesa,
Sakti,  Siva or Visnu as described above), and that  worship
includes initiation, Deity worship, and the other aspects of
devotion  to Lord Visnu.  Sometimes it may even include  the
worship of Sri Sri Radha-Krsna.  Still, this is not the pure
Vaisnava religion.
      The  pure  Vaisnava religion is different  from  these
kinds  of  contaminated Vaisnava religion.  It is  the  true
Vaisnava  religion.   Because of the defects  of  Kali-yuga,
many  people  do  not understand what is the  pure  Vaisnava
religion.    They  think  these  varieties  of  contaminated
Vaisnava religion are the true Vaisnava religion.
      The  worshippers of the Paramatma (Supersoul) wish  to
meet  the Supersoul.  Desiring to enter a mystic trance  and
there  meet the Supersoul, they engage in kriya-yoga, karma-
yoga,   or   astanga-yoga.   According  to   these   people,
initiation  into  chanting Visnu mantras,  worship  of  Lord
Visnu,  meditating  on  Lord  Visnu,  and  other  kinds   of
devotional  service, are all various aspects of  karma-yoga.
Among  these  people,  Vaisnava  religion  contaminated   by
fruitive work is manifested.
      Srimad  Bhagavatam  explains that the  most  fortunate
persons are attracted to pure devotional service, service to
the  pure form of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.   Such
persons engage in Deity worship and the other activities  of
devotional service.  These activities of devotional  service
are not subordinate aspects of kriya-yoga, karma yoga or the
speculations  of  the  impersonalists.   Rather,  they   are
aspects  of  pure devotional service.  These activities  are
the  pure  Vaisnava  religion.   Srimad  Bhagavatam  (1.1.1)
explains:
     "Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth
call   this   non-dual  substance  Brahman,   Paramatma   or
Bhagavan."*
     One should see in this way.  The Supreme Personality of
Godhead,  who is not different from either the Paramatma  or
the   impersonal   Brahman,  is  the  highest,   the   final
manifestation  of the Supreme.  The Supreme  Personality  of
Godhead  is  Lord  Visnu, who is supreme  pure.   Individual
spirit  souls that become His followers are also pure.   The
activity  of  such pure souls is called 'bhakti' (devotional
service).  Hari-bhakti (devotional service to Lord Hari)  is
also   called  by  the  names  suddha-vaisnava-dharma  (pure
Vaisnava  religion), nitya-dharma (eternal religion),  jaiva
dharma   (duty   of  individual  souls),  bhagavata   dharma
(religion   of   worshipping  the  Supreme  Personality   of
Godhead), paramartha-dharma (way to attain the final goal of
life),  and para-dharma (highest religion).  Religions  that
strive  to  attain the Paramatma and the impersonal  Brahman
are  all temporary religions.  A material motive pushes  one
to  seek the impersonal Brahman.  Therefore the religion  of
the   impersonal   Brahman  is  materially   motivated   and
temporary.  It is not eternal.  The individual soul  trapped
in  the  material  world  is eager to  escape  his  material
bondage.   To escape this material bondage the soul searches
for the impersonal Brahman.  In this way he takes shelter of
a  religion that is both temporary and materially motivated.
Therefore the religion of seeking the impersonal Brahman  is
not  eternal.   Seeking  the happiness  of  rapt  meditation
(samadhi),  a  soul  may take shelter  of  the  religion  of
seeking the Paramatma.  Thus, seeking a more subtle kind  of
material pleasure, he follows a temporary religion based  on
a  material  motive.  Therefore the religion of seeking  the
Paramatma  is  not  eternal.  The religion  of  serving  the
Supreme Personality of Godhead is alone eternal."
      Hearing  these  words, Lahiri Mahasaya  said,  "Please
described  to me the pure Vaisnava religion.  I am  advanced
in  years.  I take shelter of your feet.  Please be merciful
and  accept  me.    I  have  heard it  said  that  a  person
previously  initiated and instructed by an  unworthy  person
should  find  a  worthy  teacher and accept  initiation  and
instruction from him.  For some days I have heard your  good
instructions and now I have faith in the Vaisnava  religion.
Please  be  merciful.  Teach me the Vaisnava  religion  and,
when your teaching is concluded, initiate me and purify me.
     A little embarrassed, the saintly babaji said, "Saintly
brother, I will teach you as far as I am able, but I am  not
qualified  to  be  an initiating spiritual master.   However
that  may  be, you should now learn about the pure  Vaisnava
religion.
      "Sri  Krsna  Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who is the  original
spiritual master of the entire world, teaches that there are
three  basic truths in the Vaisnava religion.  They are:  1.
sambandha  (the  relationship of the Supreme Personality  of
Godhead   and  the  individual  soul),  2.  abhidheya   (the
activities  in  that relationship), and  3.  prayojana  (the
final  goal,  which is pure love for the Supreme Personality
of Godhead).  One who understands these three truths can act
properly.  He is a pure Vaisnava, or a pure devotee  of  the
Lord.
      "Within  sambandha are three distinct truths:  1.  the
material  world,  or  the  illusory  potency  maya,  2.  the
individual  soul, or the subordinate living entity,  and  3.
the   Supreme  Personality  of  Godhead,  who  is  one   and
unrivalled,  the  master of all powers, all attractive,  the
abode of all opulence and sweetness, and the only shelter of
both  the  individual spirit souls and the illusory  potency
maya.   Although  He  is  the  only  shelter  of  both   the
individual spirit souls and the illusory potency maya, He is
always supremely independent, and His transcendental form is
both sublimely handsome and eternal.  The impersonal Brahman
effulgence  is merely a distant reflection of the  splendour
of  His  limbs.   With  His potency of transcendental  power
(aisi  sakti) He manifests the material universes and places
the individual souls within them.  Then He expands to become
the  Supersoul.   As  the Supersoul He enters  the  material
universes.  In this way He is the Supreme controller.   When
He  manifests His feature of supreme opulence,  He  is  Lord
Narayana  in  the  spiritual sky.   When  He  manifests  His
feature  of  supreme sweetness, He is Lord Krsnacandra,  the
gopis' beloved in Goloka Vrndavana.  His different forms and
pastimes are all limitless and eternal.  No person or  thing
is  His  equal.  Nothing is superior to Him.  All His  forms
and    pastimes   are   manifested   by   his   para   sakti
(transcendental   potency).    Of   His    many    different
transcendental potencies, three are especially known to  the
individual souls.  One of these potencies is called the  cit
potency. Employing this potency, the Supreme Personality  of
Godhead enjoys all His transcendental pastimes.  Another  of
these  potencies is called the jiva potency or the  marginal
potency.   By  this potency limitless individual  souls  are
manifested and maintained.  The third potency is called  the
maya potency.  By this potency all material things, material
time,  and material activities are manifested.  The  Supreme
Personality   of  Godhead  has  a  relationship   with   the
individual  spirit  souls.   The  material  energy  and  the
individual  spirit  souls both have relationships  with  the
Supreme Personality of Godhead.  The Supreme Personality  of
Godhead  and  the  individual souls both have  relationships
with the material energy.  These different relationships are
called   sambandha.   Sambandha  is  understood   when   one
understands  these different relationships.   Without  first
understanding  these relationships it is  not  possible  for
anyone to become a pure Vaisnava."
      Lahiri Mahasaya said, "From the Vaisnavas themselves I
have  heard  that Vaisnavas surrender to their emotions  and
therefore  they have no need for knowledge.   What  kind  of
statement is that?  I myself, up to this time, have  chanted
the  holy  names  of  Lord Hari only  to  attain  a  certain
feeling.  I did not strive to understand any relationships."
      The  babaji  said, "A Vaisnava's feelings of  ecstatic
love  are  the  final  result  of  his  devotional  service.
However,  such love must be pure.  They who think that  this
ecstatic  emotion culminates in oneness with the  impersonal
Brahman  cannot have actions and ecstatic emotions that  are
pure.   Their pure ecstatic emotions are all an empty  show.
A  single drop of pure ecstatic love fulfils all the desires
of   the  spirit  soul.   However,  when  that  emotion   is
contaminated  by impersonalism, the only result  is  trouble
and  calamity for the spirit soul.  The devotional emotional
displays  of one who in his heart thinks he is not different
from the impersonal Brahman are merely a trick to cheat  the
innocent  people.  Therefore pure Vaisnavas must  thoroughly
understand these relationships.
     Faithful Lahiri Mahasaya then said, "Is there something
higher   than  the  impersonal  Brahman?   If  the   Supreme
Personality  of  Godhead  is the origin  of  the  impersonal
Brahman,  then  why  do  the  philosophers  not  leave   the
impersonal  Brahman and worship the Supreme  Personality  of
Godhead instead?"
      The saintly babaji laughed and said, "Brahma, the four
Kumaras, Sukadeva Gosvami, Narada, Siva, and all other truly
great  philosophers took shelter of the Supreme  Personality
of Godhead's feet."
      Lahiri  Mahasaya said, "If the Supreme Personality  of
Godhead  has  a form situated within space, then  that  form
must  also be limited in spatial terms.  How, then, can  the
spatially limited form of the Supreme Personality of Godhead
be   the  resting  place  of  the  all-pervading,  spatially
limitless impersonal Brahman?"
      The  babaji replied, "Even in the material  world  the
element ether is also all-pervading and spatially limitless.
Why  then  should  the impersonal Brahman be  considered  so
glorious,  merely because it is all-pervading and  spatially
limitless?   From the splendour of His transcendental  limbs
the  Supreme  Personality  of  Godhead  manifests  the  all-
pervading,  spatially limitless impersonal Brahman,  and  at
the  same time His transcendental form is spatially limited,
situated in a specific place.  Who has seen anyone like Him?
Because no one is like Him, and because He has no rival, the
Supreme Personality of Godhead is superior to the impersonal
Brahman.   His  form  is  wonderfully  attractive.   In  His
transcendental    form    all-pervasiveness,    omniscience,
omnipotence, the greatest mercy, and the greatest bliss  are
gloriously  manifest in their completeness.   Is  this  form
good?  What virtue does it not have?  What power does it not
have?   Is an amorphous, all-pervading, unknowable something
good?   The  truth  is that the impersonal  brahman  is  the
qualityless  aspect of the Supreme Personality  of  Godhead.
Personality  and impersonality exist side  by  side  in  the
handsome  form of the Supreme Personality of  Godhead.   The
impersonal  Brahman  is  merely one aspect  of  the  Supreme
Personality   of   Godhead.   This   formless,   changeless,
qualityless, unknowable, immeasurable feature of the Lord is
liked  by  short  sighted persons.  However,  they  who  see
everything  do  not like any feature but  the  original  and
complete form of the Lord.  The Vaisnavas cannot place their
faith in the formless impersonal Brahman, for to do so would
block  their eternal nature and also block their  pure  love
for  Lord  Krsna.  The Supreme Personality of Godhead,  Lord
Krsna,   is   the   resting-place  of  both  features:   the
qualityless  Brahman and the quality-filled Supreme  Person.
He  is an ocean of transcendental bliss, and therefore He is
attractive to all pure spirit souls.
      Lahiri: Krsna was born, performed activities, and then
left His body at death.  How is it possible that His form is
eternal?
      Babaji:  Sri  Krsna's  form is  eternal  and  full  of
knowledge  and bliss.  His birth, activities, and so  called
death are not material.
      Lahiri:   Why do the Mahabharata and other  scriptures
describe Him in that way?
       Babaji:   The  eternal  Absolute  Truth   is   beyond
description.  Pure souls see Lord Krsna's form and pastimes.
These  persons then describe these both with  words.   Those
words  are  like  ordinary historical accounts  of  material
persons.   They who know the true meaning of the Mahabharata
and  the  other scriptures understand Lord Krsna's  pastimes
and  other  features  in  one  way,  and  the  unintelligent
materialists  understand  Lord Krsna's  pastimes  and  other
features in a very different way.
      Lahiri:  When one meditates on Lord Krsna's  form,  in
one's  heart naturally arises the idea of a form limited  by
both  time and space.  What other way is there to  think  of
Lord Krsna's form?
      Babaji: Thinking is an activity of the mind.  As  long
as  the  mind is not purified and spiritualised, the  mind's
activity  of thinking and meditating cannot be spiritual  in
its  nature.   When it develops a devotional  attitude,  the
mind  gradually  becomes  spiritualised.   Then  the  mind's
activity  of thinking and meditating is inevitably spiritual
in  nature.   When  the Vaisnava devotees,  who  delight  in
devotional service, chant the holy names of Lord  Hari,  the
material  world  has  no  power to  touch  them.   They  are
spiritualised.   Residing  in  the  spiritual  world,   they
meditate on Lord Krsna's daily activities.  In this way they
attain the bliss of confidential service to the Lord.
      Lahiri:  Please  be merciful and give  that  spiritual
understanding to me.
      Babaji:  When  you give up all material arguments  and
doubts,  and  when you chant the holy names day  after  day,
then  after a few days genuine spiritual understanding  will
rise  in  your  heart.  As long as those material  arguments
remain,  your  mind  will stay in the shackles  of  material
understanding.  When you taste the nectar of the holy  name,
the  material  shackles  will  become  loosened.   Then  the
spiritual world will be gloriously manifested in your heart.
      Lahiri:  Please be merciful and tell  me  about  that.
That I desire.
      Babaji: The mind and words cannot understand it.  Only
when  one  attains  the  bliss of  spiritual  life  can  one
understand  it.  Give up all your arguments and  for  a  few
days  chant  the  holy names of Lord Hari.   Then  all  your
doubts  will go far away.  Then you will no longer  ask  any
question of anyone.
      Lahiri:  I  know that a person who has faith  in  Lord
Krsna  and  tastes the nectar of His holy names attains  the
highest   of   all  goals.   I  have  well  understood   the
relationship  of the Lord and the individual soul.   I  will
take shelter of the Lord's holy names.
      Babaji: That is the best of all.  Understand well your
relationship  with the Lord and you will  directly  see  the
spiritual truth.
       Lahiri:  I  understand  the  truth  of  the   Supreme
Personality of Godhead.  The Supreme Personality of  Godhead
is the ultimate form of the Supreme.  The impersonal Brahman
and  the  Supersoul  are subordinate to  Him.   He  is  all-
pervading.    In  the  spiritual  world  He  manifests   His
wonderful form.  He is a person, He is eternal and  full  of
knowledge  and bliss, and He is the master of all potencies.
Even  though He is the master of all potencies, He is always
overcome  with  bliss in the company of  His  hladini  sakti
(pleasure potency).  Now please tell me about the individual
spirit souls.
     Babaji: Among the limitless potencies of Sri Krsna, one
is  called tatastha sakti.  Positioned between the spiritual
and  material worlds, this potency can reside in  either  of
them.    This  potency  is  also  called  jiva-tattva   (the
individual  spirit souls).  The individual  souls  are  tiny
particles of spirit.  Because they are tiny particles,  they
may  attain bondage in the material world.  However, because
they are pure spirit, they may also reside eternally in  the
supremely  blissful spiritual world.  The  individual  souls
are  of  two  kinds: 1. souls who reside  in  the  spiritual
world,  and  2. souls in bondage who reside in the  material
world.   Souls in bondage in the material world are  of  two
kinds:  1. intelligent and 2. unintelligent.  Birds,  beasts
and  human  beings who do not strive to attain  the  supreme
spiritual goal are the unintelligent materially bound souls.
Human  beings  who follow the path of the Vaisnava  religion
are intelligent.  They who are not Vaisnavas do not actively
strive  for the real goal of life.  Therefore the scriptures
declare  the  service  to  Vaisnavas  and  association  with
Vaisnavas are the best of all activities.  Intelligent human
beings  who have faith in the scriptures and chant the  holy
names of Lord Hari naturally associate with Vaisnavas.  They
who  are not intelligent do not have faith in the scriptures
and  do not chant the holy names of Lord Krsna.  Even though
they may serve the Deity form of Lord Krsna according to the
rules passed down through the disciplic succession, in their
hearts  such  unintelligent persons do not  properly  honour
Vaisnavas.
     Lahiri: Now I understand the truth about Lord Krsna and
the  truth  about the individual spirit souls.   Now  please
tell me the truth about the illusory potency maya.
      Babaji:  Maya is matter.  Maya is one of the potencies
of  Lord  Krsna.  Maya is also called apara sakti  (material
potency)  and  bahiranga  sakti (external  potency).   As  a
shadow  stays  far away from light, so maya stays  far  away
from  Lord  Krsna  and  His devotees.  Maya  manifested  the
fourteen  material worlds, earth, water, fire,  air,  ether,
mind,  intelligence and false ego, which makes one think  'I
am  this  material  body'.  The gross  and  subtle  material
bodies  of the bound souls are manifested by maya.   When  a
soul  attains liberation, his spiritual body is cleansed  of
maya's  influence.   To the extent he is  tightly  bound  by
maya,  to that extent the soul is far away from Lord  Krsna.
To  the extent the soul is free of maya's influence, to that
extent the soul is able to see Lord Krsna face-to-face.  The
material  universe, which is a place of sense-pleasures  for
the  bound  souls has sprouted from Lord Krsna's will.   The
spirit souls do not stay forever in the material world.  The
material world is only a prison for the spirit souls.
      Lahiri:  O  master, now please tell me of the  eternal
relationship that exists between maya, the individual  soul,
and Lord Krsna.
      Babaji: The tiny spirit soul is an eternal servant  of
Lord  Krsna.   The world of maya is the souls'  prison.   By
associating with devotees and chanting the holy  names,  the
soul  attains  Lord Krsna's mercy.  Then,  restored  to  his
original  spiritual  form, the soul  tastes  the  nectar  of
direct service to Lord Krsna in the spiritual world.   These
are  the  confidential  relationships between  these  three.
Without  understanding  this,  how  can  anyone  engage   in
devotional service?
      Lahiri: If one should carefully attain this knowledge,
must one become a great scholar before becoming a Vaisnava?
      Babaji:  A Vaisnava need not study different languages
and  not  become  a  great scholar. To throw  far  away  the
bewilderments presented by maya, what the soul  must  do  is
take  shelter of the feet of a bona-fide Vaisnava  spiritual
master.  By the spiritual master's words of instruction  and
by  the  disciple's own spiritual activities,  the  disciple
comes to understand the truth of these relationships.   This
is called diksa (initiation) and siksa (instruction).
       Lahiri:  What  does  one  do  after  initiation   and
instruction?
      Babaji:  Living  a moral life, one should  serve  Lord
Krsna.   This  is called abhidheya.  Because it  is  clearly
described  in  the  Vedas  and all  other  scriptures,  Lord
Caitanya Mahaprabhu called this activity abhidheya.
      Lahiri (with tears in his eyes): O spiritual master, I
take  shelter  of your feet.  By hearing the honey  of  your
words, I now understand my relationship with Lord Krsna.  By
your  mercy  all my previous ideas of caste, knowledge,  and
spiritual  instruction  are thrown  far  away.   Now  please
mercifully instruct me about  abhidheya.
      Babaji: There need be no more worry.  Now that you are
humble,  Sri  Krsna Caitanya will certainly be  merciful  to
you.   Association with devotees is the only cure for  souls
bound in the material world.  The bona fide spiritual master
mercifully teaches one how to serve Lord Krsna.  By engaging
in  devotional  service one gradually attains  the  goal  of
life.  Thus devotional service is called abhidheya.
     Lahiri: Please tell me: How does one serve Lord Hari?
      Babaji:  Devotional  service to Lord  Hari  is  called
bhakti.   Bhakti  has  three stages: 1. sadhana  (devotional
service in practice), 2. bhava (ecstasy) and 3. prema  (pure
love).  The beginning stage is sadhana.  By again and  again
performing sadhana, bhava is manifested.  When bhava becomes
perfect it is called prema.
     Lahiri: What are the different kinds of sadhana and how
are they performed?  Please teach me that.
      Babaji:  In  his book Sri Hari-bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu,
Srila  Rupa Gosvami has elaborately described all  this.   I
will give a brief summary.  There are nine kinds of sadhana.
In Srimad Bhagavatam (7.5.23) it is said:
      "Hearing  and  chanting about the transcendental  holy
name,  form, qualities, paraphernalia, and pastimes of  Lord
Visnu, remembering them, serving the lotus feet of the Lord,
offering  the Lord respectful worship with sixteen types  of
paraphernalia,  offering prayers to the Lord,  becoming  His
servant,  considering  the  Lord  one's  best  friend,   and
surrendering everything unto Him (in other words serving Him
with  the  body, mind and words) - these nine processes  are
accepted as pure devotional service."*
      Thus in Srimad Bhagavatam it is written that the  nine
kinds  of sadhana-bhakti are: 1. hearing and chanting  about
the    transcendental    holy   name,    form,    qualities,
paraphernalia,  and pastimes of Lord Visnu,  2.  remembering
them, 3. serving the lotus feet of the Lord, 4. offering the
Lord respectful worship with sixteen types of paraphernalia,
5. offering prayers to the Lord, 6. becoming His servant, 7.
considering  the Lord one's best friend, and 8  surrendering
everything unto Him.  Describing the different limbs and sub-
limbs  that are parts of these, Srila Rupa Gosvami describes
64  different  kinds of sadhana bhakti.   While  considering
these  points, another topic needs to be explained.  Sadhana
bhakti  is  of two kinds: 1. vaidhi (according to rules  and
regulations),  and  2.  raganuga (spontaneous).   In  vaidhi
bhakti   one   engages  in  the  nine  kinds  of  activities
previously described.  In raganuga-bhakti one engages in the
activities of sadhana bhakti, but one becomes a follower  of
the people of Vraja, and in one's mind one serves Lord Krsna
as they do.  One should engage in the kind of sadhana bhakti
for which he is qualified.
      Lahiri: How does one know he is qualified for  one  or
the other of these kinds of sadhana bhakti?
      Babaji:  A faithful person who follows the  rules  and
regulations  is qualified.  In the beginning  his  spiritual
master  teaches him vaidhi sadhana-bhakti.  Then,  when  the
disciple becomes qualified, the spiritual master teaches him
how  to  worship the Lord by following the path of raganuga-
bhakti.
      Lahiri: How does a person know he has become qualified
for this?
      Babaji: One who has  not yet experienced in his  heart
the love that characterises raganuga-bhakti, and who instead
wishes  to  serve  the  Lord  according  to  the  rules  and
regulations  described  in the scriptures  is  qualified  to
engage in vaidhi bhakti.  One who does not wish to be  ruled
by  the  scriptures' rules and regulations in his devotional
service to Lord Hari, and in whose heart a spontaneous  love
for Lord Hari's devotional service has become manifested, is
qualified to engage in raganuga-bhakti.
      Lahiri:  O master, please tell me for which one  I  am
qualified.  I cannot understand these explanations of who is
qualified  for what.  I do not know whether I should  engage
in vaidhi or raganuga bhakti.
      Babaji:  If you examine your heart you will understand
where you are qualified.  In your heart do you see the  idea
that  it is not possible to engage in devotional service  to
Lord Hari without following the scriptures' teachings?
      Lahiri:  In  my  mind is the idea that  sadhana-bhakti
following  the scriptures teachings brings the best  result.
But  now in my mind I also think that devotional service  to
Lord  Hari  is a great ocean of nectar, and by  engaging  in
devotional  service I will gradually be able to  taste  that
nectar.
      Babaji: You can now see that the scriptures' rules and
regulations  are  the  ruler of your  mind.   Therefore  you
should   engage  in vaidhi bhakti.  Gradually the  spiritual
love that is raganuga bhakti will manifest in your heart.
      Hearing  these words, Lahiri Mahasaya,  his  eyes  now
filled  with  tears,  touched the babaji's  feet  and  said,
"Please be merciful and engage me as I am qualified.   I  am
not  able to understand my own qualifications."  The saintly
babaji then  embraced him and made him sit down again.
     Lahiri: Please clearly order me, and I will thus engage
in devotional service.
      Babaji: You should chant the holy names of Lord  Hari.
Taking shelter of the holy names is the most powerful of all
kinds  of devotional service.  The name of the Lord and  the
Lord  Himself are not different.  By offenselessly  chanting
the   holy   names   one  quickly  attains   all   spiritual
perfections.   Therefore with great faith you  should  chant
the holy names.  By again and again chanting the holy names,
one  engages  in all nine kinds of devotional  service.   By
chanting  the  holy  names  aloud one  engages  in  sravanam
(hearing) and kirtanam (chanting).  As one chants  the  holy
names one will naturally remember (smaranam) the pastimes of
Lord  Hari, and in one's mind one will serve His feet (pada-
sevanam),  worship  Him (arcanam), offer obeisances  to  Him
(vandanam),  serve Him (dasyam), think of Him  as  a  friend
(sakhyam)  and surrender everything to Him (atma-nivedanam).
In this way one engages in all nine activities of devotional
service.
      Lahiri:  My  heart is very eager to receive  the  holy
names.   O  master, please be merciful.  Please don't  delay
any further.
      Babaji: O great soul, without committing offenses, you
should always chant this mantra:
     Hare Krsna Hare Krsna
          Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
     Hare Rama Hare Rama
          Rama Rama Hare Hare
      As he chanted these words again and again, the saintly
babaji  placed in Lahiri Mahasaya's hands a string of tulasi
beads.  Weeping, Lahiri Mahasaya again and again chanted the
holy  names  on these beads.  He said, "O master,  I  cannot
express   the  happiness  I  feel  today."   Overcome   with
happiness,  Lahiri  fell unconscious at the  babaji's  feet.
The  saintly babaji carefully picked him up.  After  a  long
time  Lahiri  Mahasaya said, "Today I am  fortunate.   Never
before have I been so happy."
      Babaji: O great soul, you are fortunate, for you  have
faithfully accepted the holy names.  Thus you have  made  me
fortunate also.
     From that day Lahiri Mahasaya chanted the holy names on
those  beads.   Without fear he stayed in  his  cottage  and
chanted  the  holy  names.  Some days passed  in  this  way.
Lahiri  Mahasaya wore the twelve tilaka marks.  He  did  not
eat  anything but krsna prasadam.  Everyday he  chanted  two
laksas  of the holy names of Lord Hari.  Whenever he  saw  a
pure Vaisnava, he would always offer dandavat obeisances  to
the paramahamsa babaji before attending to other duties.  He
always served his spiritual master.  He was not attracted to
useless gossip or non devotional music.  He was not the same
Lahiri Mahasaya.  Now he was a Vaisnava.
      One  day  he  offered dandavat obeisances  to  saintly
Vaisnava dasa Babaji and asked, "O master, what is the final
spiritual goal (prayojana)?"
      Babaji: Pure love for Lord Krsna (Krsna-prema) is  the
final  spiritual  goal for the individual soul.   Again  and
again  performing the duties of sadhana-bhakti, one  attains
the  state of bhava (ecstasy).  When bhava becomes  complete
and  reaches  its  perfection,  it  is  called  prema  (pure
spiritual  love).   That  is the individual  soul's  eternal
nature,  his eternal wealth, his highest goal.  The  absence
of  this love is the greatest calamity.  It means bondage in
the  material world.  It means the attempt to enjoy with the
material  senses.   Nothing is higher or  better  than  this
spiritual love (prema).  Lord Krsna Himself is controlled by
this  love  alone.   This love is purely spiritual.   It  is
filled with the most intense spiritual bliss.
      Lahiri  (weeping  again and again):  Will  I  ever  be
qualified to attain this spiritual love?
      Babaji  (embracing him): Look, and in a few days  your
sadhana-bhakti will become bhava bhakti.  A few  days  after
that Lord Krsna will certainly be merciful to you.
      Overcome with joy to hear this, Lahiri Mahasaya  said,
"Ah,  aside from the spiritual master, nothing is important.
My spiritual master has mercifully rescued me from the blind
well of material sense gratification."
Chapter Five
Vaidhi-bhakti-Nitya-dharma, Naimittik Naya
Vaidhi-bhakti-The Eternal Religion.  It is Not Temporary.
      Lahiri  Mahasaya had a large family  in  his  home  in
Santipura.   His  two sons were famous  scholars.   One  was
named Candranatha, who was 35 years old.  He was a landowner
(zamindar)  and  he looked after all the household  affairs.
He was learned in the medical texts.  He did trouble himself
much  with  religion.   Still, he was honoured  in  brahmana
society.   He took care of the servants, maids, doorkeepers,
and  others, and he looked after the household affairs.  The
second  son  was named Devidasa.  From childhood he  eagerly
studied  the Nyaya-sastra and Smrti-sastra.  He had his  own
school  with  ten or fifteen students.  He  bore  the  title
Vidyaratna (the jewel of knowledge).
      One  day in Santipura there was a rumour that Kalidasa
Lahiri  had  become  a  Vaisnava ascetic.   The  rumour  was
everywhere:  at the bathing ghatas, in the marketplace,  and
on the streets.  Some said that he was now a senile old man.
Indeed,  on  that day the general opinion was  that  he  had
become senile.  Some said, "Perhaps he was struck with  some
disease.  He is a brahmana by birth.  His sons and wife  and
family  obey  him.  What suffering led him to  renounce  the
world?"   Some  said, "Such is the sad end of they  who  run
here  and there advertising their love for religion."   Some
educated persons said, "Kalidasa Lahiri is a very pious man.
Although  everything  this world has  to  offer  is  in  his
possession,  in his old age he has become attracted  to  the
holy  names  of  Lord  Hari."  In these  ways  they  talked.
Hearing all these rumours, someone repeated them to Devidasa
Vidyaratna Mahasaya.
      Rapt  in  thought,  Vidyaratna  approached  his  elder
brother  and said, "Brother, I think our father is in  great
trouble.   His  body is in good health.  He  is  staying  at
Godruma  in Nadiya.  But he has fallen into bad association.
We cannot be blind to the rumours in the village."
     Candranatha replied, "O brother, I have also heard some
of  these  rumours.  The fame of our house  is  very  great.
Still,  when  I hear these rumours about father,  I  can  no
longer hold my head high.  We have always held the family of
Advaita  Prabhu in low esteem.  But what has no happened  in
our  own  house?  Let us go home, consult with  our  saintly
mother, and do what we can."
      Devidasa and Candranatha sat on the veranda  of  their
home.   A  brahmana  widow served them  their  meal.   Their
mother  sat  with them, arranging for the meal.  Candranatha
said, "Mother, have you heard any news about father?"
      The saintly mother replied, "Why?  Is his health good?
He  is in Navadvipa now.  He is mad after the holy names  of
Lord Hari.  Why don't you bring him back here?"
     Devidasa said, "Mother, his health is good.  But I have
heard that other things are not good.  If we bring him  home
our reputation will be ruined."
      Then  the saintly mother asked, "How can it  be?   The
other  day  at the Ganga's shore I talked about many  things
with  the daughter-in-law of one of the big Gosvami's.   She
said  to me, 'Your husband is very fortunate.  The Vaisnavas
honour him'."
      Devidasa  said,  "He  is not honoured  in  our  social
circles.  Now that he is old in years will he stay  at  home
and  allow us to serve him?  No.  He eats the remnants  left
by  men  who  wear  loincloths. He has defiled  our  exalted
family.   O  wicked age of Kali!  Our father  has  seen  and
heard so much!  What has happened to his intelligence now?"
      The saintly mother said, "Bring him here and keep  him
hidden until you can bring him to his senses."
     Candranatha said, "What else can we do?  Accompanied by
two  or  three  men, Devi should go to Godruma and  secretly
bring father back."
     Devi said, "You know very well that father, thinking me
an  atheist, does not have a very good opinion of me.  If  I
cannot  even talk with him there should be something else  I
can do."
      Devidasa's  maternal cousin Sambhunatha  is  liked  by
father.  Sambhunatha stayed with him and served him for many
days.  So it was settled that the two of them, Devidasa  and
Sambhunatha  were to go to Godruma.  A servant was  sent  in
advance to arrange their stay in some brahmana's home.
      The  next day Sambhunatha and Devidasa finished  their
meal and set out for Godruma.  Arriving, they descended from
their  palanquins and gave the bearers permission to depart.
At their new place they would have one brahmana cook and two
servants.
      At  sunset Devidasa and Sambhunatha peacefully  walked
about Pradyumna-kunja.  They saw Lahiri Mahasaya sitting  on
a leaf-seat in Sri Surabhi's courtyard.  His eyes closed, he
was  chanting the holy names of Lord Hari on his beads.  His
limbs  were glorious with the twelve tilaka marks.   Quietly
entering  the  courtyard, Sambhunatha and  Devidasa  offered
dandavat   obeisances  to  the  feet  of  Lahiri   Mahasaya.
Startled, Lahiri Mahasaya opened his eyes and said, "Sambhu,
why have you come?  What is in your mind, that you have come
here?  Devi, is all well with you?'
      The two of them humbly said, "Because you have blessed
us, all is well."
      Lahiri Mahasaya asked, "Will you take your meal here?"
The two answered, "We are already guests at someone's house.
You need not worry for us."
     At that moment the sound of Lord Hari's holy names came
from  Sri Prema dasa's cottage of madhavi and malati  vines.
Then  Sri  Vaisnava  dasa came from his  cottage  and  asked
Lahiri  Mahasaya,  "Why does the sound of Lord  Hari's  holy
names  come from the paramahamsa babaji's cottage?"   Lahiri
Mahasaya and Vaisnava dasa went there.  There they saw  many
Vaisnavas  chanting  the  holy  names  of  Lord   Hari   and
circumambulating the saintly babaji.  The two of them joined
in   these   activities.   Then  everyone  offered  dandavat
obeisances to the saintly paramahamsa babaji.  Then everyone
sat  down.   Devidasa and Sambhunatha also sat down  to  one
side.   They  were like tow ducks surrounded by a  flock  of
swans.
      One  of the Vaisnavas said, "We come from the town  of
Kattwa.   Our  primary reason to come here  is  to  see  Sri
Navadvipa  and Sri Mayapura and to attain the  dust  of  the
paramahamsa  babaji's  feet.  Embarrassed,  the  paramahamsa
babaji  said, "I am a fallen sinner.  You have come here  to
purify me.  After a short time it becomes obvious that these
Vaisnavas  are  very expert in singing the glories  of  Lord
Hari.   In  a  moment  mrdanga and  karatalas  are  brought.
Reading from a paper, an elderly Vaisnava sang these words:
      "O  Sri  Krsna Caitanyacandra! O Prabhu Nityananda!  O
Gadadhara! O Advaitacandra! O devotees of Lord Gaura!
     "O Vaisnava Thakura, O shoreless ocean of mercy, please
be merciful to me, a fallen sinner.
      "Master, please be merciful and deliver me,  a  person
mad with pride in my birth, learning, and wealth.
      "Please  purify me of the desire for gold, women,  and
fame.  That is my prayer.
      "O  servant of Lord Krsna, please be merciful and give
me  attraction  for  the  holy name,  mercy  to  the  living
entities and happy association with the Vaisnavas.
      "The  shade of your feet is my only hope.   Whether  I
live or die, you are my only shelter."
      When these verses came to an end, Lahiri Mahasaya sang
a prayer he had himself composed:
      "I was in the grip of illusion.  I had fallen into the
ocean  of  birth and death.  You were merciful to  me.   You
gave me the shade of your feet.  You rescued me.
      "Please  hear me! O saintly Vaisnava, please hear  me!
Now  I  surrender to your feet.  Please throw my  sufferings
far away.
       "Pride  of  caste  is  hell.   Material  learning  is
ignorance.   Please  purify  me and  place  me  before  Lord
Nityananda's  feet.  Please extinguish the fire  that  burns
within me.
      "Please  be merciful and place on my tongue  the  holy
names  of  the Divine Couple.  Kalidasa prays: Please  place
Sri Sri Radha-Syama in my heart.
     Hearing this song, everyone became wild with happiness.
Together  they stood up.  Again and again they sang.   Again
and  again  singing the words "Please place Sri  Sri  Radha-
Syama  in  my heart", they danced wildly.  Again  and  again
dancing,  some  Vaisnava become overwhelmed  with  spiritual
love  and  fell  unconscious.  Then something  unprecedented
happened, something that when he saw it made Devidasa think,
"Father  is  now plunged in meditation on the Absolute.   It
will be difficult to take him home again.  The meeting broke
up   in  the  middle  of  the  night.   After  saying  their
farewells,  everyone returned to their  own  places.   After
bidding   farewell   to   Lahiri  Mahasaya,   Devidasa   and
Sambhunatha returned to their host's home.
      The next day, after they had finished their meal, Devi
and   Sambhu  entered  Lahiri  Mahasaya's  cottage.    After
offering dandavat obeisances, Devidasa Vidyaratna placed the
following  request  before  Lahiri  Mahasaya:  "This  is  my
request:   Please reside in Santipura.  In this place  there
are  many  troubles  and inconveniences.   All  of  us  will
happily serve you at home.  If you order, we will arrange  a
solitary room for you to stay there."
     Lahiri Mahasaya replied, "It is not a bad idea.  Still,
in  Santipura I will not be able to associate with  devotees
as  I  do here.  Devi, you know that the people of Santipura
are atheists and delight in criticising others.  It is not a
happy  place  for  anyone to live.   True,  there  are  many
brahmanas  there,  but  their  intelligence  is  warped   by
association  with  weavers.  The  three  characteristics  of
Santipura's  people  are fine garments, pompous  words,  and
blasphemy  of  Vaisnavas.  That is why  the  descendants  of
Advaita  Prabhu suffer there.  By bad association even  many
of them have also turned against Lord Mahaprabhu.  Therefore
please arrange that I may stay here in Godruma.  That is  my
desire."
      Devidasa said, "Father, what you say is true.   Still,
why  need you have any contact with Santipura's people?   In
your own private room you can chant Gayatri and perform your
other religious duties.  In this way you may pass your days.
A brahmana has eternal duties and eternal religions rituals.
Great souls like yourself should always be absorbed in these
duties."
      Lahiri  Mahasaya said, "Son, those days are  no  more.
Now that I have stayed for some months with the devotees and
heard the teachings of my spiritual master, my view of  life
is  completely changed.  What you call eternal duties I call
temporary  duties.  Devotional service to Lord Hari  is  the
soul's  only eternal duty.  Chanting Gayatri and other  like
duties are all temporary.
      Devidasa replied, "Father, I do not see that  duty  in
any  scripture.  Is chanting Gayatri not the worship of Lord
Hari?  If chanting Gayatri is the worship of Lord Hari, then
it  is  an eternal religious duty.  How is chanting  Gayatri
different from hearing and chanting about Lord Hari and  the
other activities of vaidhi-bhakti?"
      Lahiri  Mahasaya  said, "Child, chanting  Gayatri  and
other karma-kanda activities are very different from vaidhi-
bhakti.   Chanting Gayatri and other karma-kanda  activities
are performed with a desire to attain impersonal liberation.
However  hearing and chanting about Lord Hari and the  other
activities  of  vaidhi-bhakti are  not  performed  with  any
material  motive.  When in the scriptures such  results  are
seen  to come from the devotional activities that begin with
hearing  and chanting the glories of Lord Hari, that  is  so
only   for  the  purpose  of  attracting  the  materialists.
Devotional  service  to Lord Hari brings  only  one  result:
devotional service to Lord Hari.  It brings no other result.
The  primary  result attained by vaidhi-bhakti is  that  one
becomes attracted to serve Lord Hari."
      Devidasa  said,  "Father, then it is  true  that  some
secondary results also come from devotional service to  Lord
Hari."
      Lahiri  Mahasaya:  For  different  kinds  of  neophyte
devotees there are secondary results.  Still a true Vaisnava
engages in sadhana-bhakti so that he may some day attain the
perfection  of devotional service.  They who  are  not  true
devotees  perform  sadhana-bhakti to attain  two  goals:  1.
material  sense gratification, and 2. impersonal liberation.
Externally one cannot see a difference in the activities  of
true  Vaisnavas and pretenders, but internally, at the root,
there  is  a difference of faith.  The worship of Lord  Hari
performed  by  a person who thinks that worship  a  material
fruitive  activity  may  bring purity  of  mind,  impersonal
liberation,  cure  of diseases, or other  material  results.
Still,  the  worship of Lord Hari performed by a person  who
thinks  that worship is spiritual devotional service  brings
attraction  to Lord Krsna's holy names as its  only  result.
For the materialists, observance of the ekadasi vow destroys
sins.   For  the  devotees, observance of  the  ekadasi  vow
increases devotion to Lord Hari.  You can see the difference
here.  The subtle difference of sadhana-bhakti performed  by
they who think it a material activity and they who think  is
spiritual devotional service can be understood only  by  the
mercy   of   the   Supreme  Personality  of  Godhead.    The
materialists  are caught up in the secondary  results.   The
devotees  attain the primary result.  All secondary  results
may  be  grouped  into  two categories:  1.  material  sense
gratification, and 2. impersonal liberation.
      Devidasa:  Then  why  do the scriptures  praise  these
secondary  results?   Lahiri Mahasaya: Two  kinds  of  human
beings inhabit the material world: 1. the intelligent and 2.
the  unintelligent.  The unintelligent will not perform  any
spiritual  activity  unless they see an  immediate  material
benefit  comes  from  it.  For such persons  the  scriptures
praise   the   secondary  results  of  devotional   service.
However,  it is not the purpose of the scriptures that  such
persons  shall  remain always content with  these  secondary
results.   The idea is that, after a short time and  by  the
mercy  of  the  Lord's  devotees, such persons  will  become
attracted to the primary result.
      Devidasa:   Are Raghunandana and the other authors  of
smrti-sastras then unintelligent?
      Lahiri Mahasaya: No.  They themselves seek the primary
result.  Still, the code of actions they prescribe is  meant
for the unintelligent.
      Devidasa: In some scriptures we see only the secondary
results  are  described  and there is  no  mention  of  this
primary result.  What is the reason for that?
      Lahiri  Mahasaya: The scriptures are  of  three  kinds
according  to the three classes of human beings eligible  to
receive  them.   For human beings in the  mode  of  goodness
there  are  scriptures in the mode of goodness.   For  human
beings  in the mode of passion there are scriptures  in  the
mode  of passion.  For human beings in the mode of ignorance
there are scriptures in the mode of ignorance.
     Devidasa: In which of these scriptures should one place
his  faith?   How  can a person in the lower  stages  become
elevated?
      Lahiri  Mahasaya:  Persons  with  different  kinds  of
qualifications have different kinds of faith.  They who  are
in the mode of ignorance have faith in the scriptures of the
mode of ignorance.  They who are in the mode of passion have
faith  in  the scriptures of the mode of passion.  They  who
are in the mode of goodness have faith in the scriptures  of
the   mode   of  goodness.   Thus  a  person  believes   the
conclusions  of  the scripture in which,  according  to  the
modes, he naturally has faith.  By faithfully performing the
duties  for  which he is qualified, and by associating  with
saintly devotees, one becomes elevated in this birth.   Thus
elevated, a person attains faith in the scriptures meant for
elevated  persons.   The  authors  of  the  scriptures   are
perfectly learned and not at all bewildered.  They  composed
the  scriptures in such a way that by faithfully  performing
his own duties a person may be gradually elevated.  That  is
why  the different scriptures describe many different  kinds
of  duties.   Faith in the scriptures is the source  of  all
auspiciousness.   Srimad-Bhagavad-gita  describes  all   the
different conclusions of the different scriptures and at the
end  it  clearly  describes  the  final  conclusion  of  all
scriptures.
     Devidasa: Since boyhood I have studied many scriptures,
but  today,  by  your mercy, I can understand the  wonderful
purpose of them all.
      Lahiri Mahasaya: In Srimad Bhagavatam (11.8.10) it  is
written:
      "Just as a honeybee takes nectar from all flowers, big
and  small,  an  intelligent human  being  should  take  the
essence from all religious scriptures."***
      Son, I used to call you an atheist  Now I do not speak
ill   of   anyone.   Anyone  who  faithfully  performs   the
prescribed  duties  that  suit  his  nature  should  not  be
criticised.  In fact everyone acts according to their nature
and  all will be gradually elevated at the proper time.  You
are   learned  in  books  of  logic  and  fruitive   action.
Therefore  you are not to blame if your words  follow  those
ideas.
      Devidasa: I know some things, but I am not learned  in
the  Vaisnava religion.  I used to think that the  Vaisnavas
are fanatics who insisted on interpreting the scriptures  in
their  own  way.   But now that I heard your explanation,  I
know  that among the Vaisnavas are learned persons who  know
the  true  meaning of the scriptures.  From what great  soul
have you learned all this about the scriptures?
      Lahiri  Mahasaya: Son, recently I have been instructed
by  a  staunch  Vaisnava.  In the next cottage my  spiritual
master worships the Lord.  He has taught me the meanings  of
all  the  scriptures.  He is the person I have described  to
you.   If  you  approach  his feet you  may  ask  him  about
devotional service.  Come, you and I will visit him.
      After  speaking  these  words,  Lahiri  Mahasaya  took
Devidasa  Vidyaratna to the cottage of  Sri  Vaisnava  dasa.
Leaving him there, Lahiri went to his own cottage, sat  down
and chanted the holy names.
       Sri  Vaisnava  dasa:  Child,  have  you  studied  the
scriptures?   Devidasa:  I studied  the  nyaya-sastras  from
Muktipada  to Siddhanta-kusumanjali, and I also studied  the
smrti-sastras.
      Sri  Vaisnava  dasa:  Did you  study  many  scriptures
diligently?   What  was  your  conclusion  after  diligently
studying them?
      Devidasa: The conclusion is given in the words,  "With
great  trouble  one  should renounce everything  and  attain
impersonal  liberation."  Therefore the  conclusion  of  the
scriptures  is  that one should struggle by every  available
means  to  attain  impersonal liberation.  Therefore,  while
faithfully  executing my prescribed duties,  I  have  sought
impersonal liberation.
      Sri  Vaisnava  dasa: At one time I  also  studied  all
books,  and,  like you, I also yearned to attain  impersonal
liberation.
     Devidasa: Why did you abandon the desire for impersonal
liberation?
      Sri  Vaisnava dasa: Child, tell me: What is the nature
of impersonal liberation?
      Devidasa: In the opinion of the nyaya-sastras, Brahman
and  the individual soul are eternally distinct.  How, then,
is  it possible to renounce everything and attain impersonal
liberation.   According to this system, it  is  clearly  not
possible.   According  to the Vedanta  philosophy,  however,
liberation  is defined as understanding that the  individual
soul  and  the  Supreme are not really different  from  each
other.    According   to  this  system,   then,   impersonal
liberation is clearly possible.
      Sri  Vaisnava dasa: Child, for fifteen years I studied
Sankara's  interpretation  of  Vedanta,  and  after  that  I
accepted  sannyasa.   In  many ways I  struggled  to  attain
impersonal  liberation.  For many days I meditated  on  what
Sankara considered the four most important statements of the
Vedas.   Afterward,  thinking them all foolish,  I  rejected
what I had read.
     Devidasa: Why did you think those books were foolish?
      Sri Vaisnava dasa: Child, a person should examine  his
own  heart.   How can others do it for him?  How can  others
understand his heart?
      Devidasa could see that Sri Vaisnava dasa was  honest,
intelligent  and very learned.  Devidasa had  never  studied
Vedanta.  In his heart he thought, "If he is merciful to me,
I  can  learn Vedanta from him."  Thinking in this  way,  he
said, "Am I qualified to study Vedanta?"
      Sri Vaisnava dasa: You know Sanskrit well, so you  may
easily study Vedanta.
     Devidasa: If you feel merciful to me, then please teach
it to me.  I would learn it from you.
     Sri Vaisnava dasa: These are my words: I am a penniless
servant of the Vaisnavas.  Because I attained the mercy of a
saintly paramahamsa babaji, I stay here and always chant the
holy names of Lord Hari.  I have very little opportunity  to
teach  anyone Vedanta.  Also, I have heard that  Srila  Rupa
Gosvami,  who  is the spiritual master of the entire  world,
has  forbidden  the  Vaisnavas to hear or explain  Sankara's
Sariraka-bhasya commentary on Vedanta.  Therefore now I will
neither study nor teach Sankara's commentary.  Lord Caitanya
Mahaprabhu,  who is the son of Saci-devi and  the  spiritual
master  of  all living entities, taught the right commentary
of   Vedanta-sutra  to  Sri  Sarvabhauma  Bhattacarya.   His
commentary  is recorded in the notebooks of many  Vaisnavas.
If  you make a copy of that commentary, then perhaps  I  can
help  you.   Go to Kancana-palli and you may get a  copy  of
that commentary from the home of Sriman Kavikarnapura.
      Devidasa:  I  will try.  You are a  great  scholar  of
Vedanta.   You have spoken honestly with me.  Why  should  I
not study the Vaisnava commentary on Vedanta?
      Sri  Vaisnava  dasa: In the past I  have  studied  and
taught   Sankara's   commentary.    There   is   also    Sri
Ramanujacarya's Sri-bhasya and many other commentaries also.
The Bengali Vaisnavas have the commentary that Lord Caitanya
Mahaprabhu  gave to Sri Gopinatha Acarya.  I have  not  seen
any  commentary  better than that.  No one can  dispute  the
Supreme  Personality  of Godhead's own explanations  of  the
Vedanta-sutras.   Commentaries on the Vedanta-sutras  should
include  many quotations from the Upanisads.  If one  simply
writes  what  he thinks, and does not support his  arguments
with quotations from the Upanisads, learned persons will not
accept his commentary.
     Happy at heart to hear these words, Devidasa Vidyaratna
offered  dandavat  obeisances to Sri  Vaisnava  dasa.   Then
Devidasa entered his father's cottage and told him all  that
had  been  said.  Filled with happiness, his father,  "Devi,
you  have  studied and taught many books.   Now  you  should
research the eternal nature of the soul."
      Devidasa: Father, I had earnestly hoped to  bring  you
away from Sri Godruma.  That is why I came here.  Please  be
merciful.    Come  back  just  once  and  fulfil  everyone's
desires.   Especially my saintly mother yearns to  see  your
feet just one more time.
     Lahiri Mahasaya: I have taken shelter of the Vaisnavas'
feet.   I  have made a solemn vow that I shall never  return
home,  for  even a visit would obstruct my devotional  life.
In the past you have all worshipped Lord Visnu.  You may all
visit me.
      Devidasa: Father, what kind of answer is that?  At our
home  we  are  all  servants of the Supreme  Personality  of
Godhead.   We do not dishonour the holy names of Lord  Hari.
I  am  always ready to serve a Vaisnava guest!  Are  we  not
Vaisnavas?
      Lahiri Mahasaya: If you think your activities are  the
same  as  the  Vaisnavas' activities, then  you  are  not  a
Vaisnava.
     Devidasa: Father, why am I not a Vaisnava?
       Lahiri   Mahasaya:  A  Vaisnava  renounces  temporary
material  duties and takes shelter of his eternal  spiritual
duty.
      Devidasa: Still, I have one doubt.  You have  given  a
very  good  analysis  of  the  scriptures.   The  Vaisnavas'
activities   of   hearing  (sravana),  chanting   (kirtana),
remembering   (smarana),  serving  the  feet  (pada-sevana),
worship  (arcana), obeisances (vandana),  carrying  out  the
orders   (dasya),  friendship  (sakhya),  and   surrendering
everything   (atma-nivedana)  are  activities   mixed   with
materialism.  Are they not all impelled by material motives?
I  think  you  are  unreasonably attached to  these  things.
Worshipping  the Deity of the Lord, fasting, and worshipping
the  Lord  by offering Him material things are all  material
activities.  How can they be eternal?
     Lahiri Mahasaya: Son, I have thought about these things
for  many  days.  Please think about this carefully.   There
are  two classes of human beings: 1. they who are interested
in this material world, the here and now and 2. they who are
interested  in  the highest goal of life.  The  materialists
are  interested  only in material happiness, material  fame,
and material exalted status.
      Human beings who are interested in the highest goal of
life are divided into three classes: 1. the devotees of  the
Supreme Personality of Godhead, 2. they who are attached  to
impersonal  speculation,  and  3.  they  who  desire  mystic
powers.
      They who desire mystic powers are eager to attain  the
results offered by the karma-kanda section of the Vedas.  By
performing   these   karma-kanda  activities   they   attain
extraordinary powers.  By performing yagas, yajnas, and yoga
one  can  attain these powers.  They think that the  Supreme
Personality  of Godhead is obliged to give them the  results
of their karma-kanda activities.
      The  next group is they who are attached to impersonal
speculation.   By  cultivating  impersonal  knowledge   such
persons strive to become the Supreme.  Some of them say  the
Supreme  Personality of Godhead exists, and others  of  them
say  He  does  not  exist.  Some of  them  say  the  Supreme
Personality of Godhead is merely an imagination and that  by
worshipping   this  imaginary  God  one  gradually   attains
impersonal knowledge.  Others of them say that one must  use
the worship of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, as a tool
to  attain  impersonal  knowledge.  Then  when  one  attains
impersonal knowledge, the tool of worship should  be  thrown
away.   According to them, when one attains  the  result  of
worshipping the Supreme Personality of Godhead, that worship
becomes  transformed  into impersonal knowledge.   In  their
opinion  neither the Supreme Personality of Godhead nor  the
worship of the Supreme Personality of Godhead are eternal.
      The third class of human beings who are interested  in
the  highest  goal of life is the devotees  of  the  Supreme
Personality of Godhead. In deed, the devotees are  the  true
seekers of the highest goal of life.  In the opinion of  the
devotees  there is one Supreme Personality of  Godhead,  who
has neither beginning nor end.  Employing His potencies,  He
manifests  the  individual spirit  souls  and  the  material
world.   The  individual spirit souls are all His  servants.
Eternal  service to the Lord is the soul's eternal duty  and
eternal  nature.  On his own power, the individual  soul  is
not  able  to  do  anything.   By  performing  materialistic
activities  (karma) the individual soul  cannot  attain  any
result that is eternal.  However, by obeying and serving the
Supreme  Personality of Godhead the individual soul can,  by
the Lord's mercy, attain the fulfilment of all his desires.
     The previous two classes of human beings are called: 1.
karma-kandi (they who perform material pious deeds), and  2.
jnana-kandi (impersonalists).  The third class is called isa-
bhakta  (devotees  of the Supreme Personality  of  Godhead).
The   karma-kandis  and  jnana-kandis  are  proud  to   call
themselves   seekers  after  the  highest  spiritual   goal.
However, the truth is that they are materialists.  They  are
materialists  because they are pushed by  material  motives.
Whatever  pious  deeds  they  perform  are  all  pushed   by
personal, material motives.
      The present day worshippers of Siva, Durga, Ganesa and
Surya  are  all  followers of the  jnana-kanda.   When  such
persons engage in the devotional activities that begin  with
hearing  and  chanting, their goal is to  attain  impersonal
liberation and become one with the Supreme.
      They  who do not have material sense gratification  or
impersonal  liberation as their goal when they  perform  the
devotional  activities that begin with hearing and  chanting
are devotees of Lord Visnu.  They worship the Deity form  of
Lord Visnu.
      The  form  of  the Supreme Personality of  Godhead  is
eternal,  spiritual,  and  all-powerful.   If  the   Supreme
Personality  of  Godhead  were not  the  highest  object  of
worship,  then  it may be said that the worship  of  Him  is
temporary and not eternal.
      Son,  the service you offer to the deity form  of  the
Supreme  Personality  of  Godhead will  not  bring  you  the
highest  spiritual benefit.  Why not?  Because  you  do  not
think  the Lord's form is eternal.  Therefore you are not  a
devotee  of  the  Lord.   Do you understand  the  difference
between  worship  that  is  eternal  and  worship  that   is
temporary and pushed by material motives?
      Devidasa: Yes.  If one does not think that the form of
the  Supreme Personality of Godhead, then one's  worship  of
the Lord is not eternal worship.  But why can one not employ
a temporary kind of worship to seek the eternal truth?
      Lahiri  Mahasaya: You cannot say that the worship  you
perform  is  eternal  worship.  The  worship  the  Vaisnavas
perform is eternal.  The form of the Lord is eternal,  their
worship of that form is eternal, and all in relation to them
are eternal.  Therefore the Vaisnava religion is eternal.
      Devidasa: The Deity form of the Lord is a statue  made
by a human being.  How can such a form be eternal?
      Lahiri  Mahasaya:   The Deity form worshipped  by  the
Vaisnavas  is not like that.  First, the Supreme Personality
of  Godhead  is  not formless, like the impersonal  Brahman.
The  form  of  the  Supreme Personality of  Godhead  is  all
powerful,  eternal,  and filled with  knowledge  and  bliss.
That  is the Lord's form that should be worshipped.  In  the
beginning   the  Lord's  form  is  manifested   within   the
individual spirit soul.  Thus the Lord's form appears in the
living   entity's   heart.   When  bhakti-yoga   (devotional
service)  is  manifested in the heart, then the Lord's  form
also  appears there.  When a devotees sees in his heart  the
spiritual  form of the Supreme Personality of  Godhead,  the
devotee   knows  that  this  is  the  same  form  manifested
externally as the Deity.  The impersonalists do not  worship
the  form  of the Supreme Lord in this way.  They think  the
Deity  is a statue made of material elements, a statue  that
while  it is being worshipped is imagined to be the same  as
the  impersonal  Supreme.  However, the truth  is  that  the
Deity  form  of  the Lord is not at all  a  statue  made  of
material elements.  In this way the impersonalists  and  the
devotees  have very different conceptions of the worship  of
the  Deity of the Lord.  By the mercy of a bona-fide  master
one  may  accept Vaisnava initiation.  Then one is  able  to
directly see that the Deity of the Lord is not a statue made
of material elements.
      Devidasa: I see that.  The Vaisnavas are not fanatics.
They  see very subtle things.  The worship of the Deity form
of  the  Lord and the worship of a material statue are  very
different  indeed.  However, I do not see any difference  in
the  external  actions of these two kinds of  worship.   The
difference  is in the spiritual faith of the worshipper.   I
will  think about this subject for a few more days.  Father,
I  have  one  big doubt.  As far as I am able to understand,
the  impersonalists worship of the Lord is merely a form  of
cheating  and trickery.  At a later time I will  place  this
question before your feet.
      After  speaking these words, Devidasa Vidyaratna  went
with Sambhunatha to their host's house, where they spent the
remainder  of the afternoon.  Still, they did  not  find  an
opportunity  to  talk among themselves.   Everyone  at  that
house found all their happiness in singing the holy names of
Lord Hari.
      The  next  afternoon they all went to the  paramahamsa
babaji's  terrace.  There Devidasa Vidyaratna,  Sambhunatha,
and Lahiri Mahasaya stayed close together.  At that time the
kazi  of  Brahmana-puskarini also came  there.   Seeing  the
kazi,  the Vaisnava respectfully stood up.  Happily greeting
the   Vaisnavas,   the  kazi  entered  the   terrace.    The
paramahamsa babaji said to him, "We are now fortunate, for a
descendant of the Canda Kazi who received the mercy of  Lord
Caitanya Mahaprabhu has come to visit us.  Please give  your
mercy  to  us."  The kazi then said, "It is by the mercy  of
Lord  Caitanya Mahaprabhu that I have received the mercy  of
the  Vaisnavas.  Lord Caitanya is the master of my life.   I
do  not  do  anything  without first  offering  my  dandavat
obeisances to Him."
      Lahiri  Mahasaya  was fluent in the  language  of  the
Muslims.  He had studied the Koran and also man books of the
sufis.   To  the kazi he addressed this question:  "What  is
your idea of liberation?"
      The  kazi  replied,  "Where you use  the  word  'jiva'
(individual spirit soul), we use the word 'ru'.  The ru  has
two  states of existence: 1. ru-mujarradi and 2. ru-tarkibi.
What  you call 'cit' (spirit) we call 'mujarrad'.  What  you
call  'acit' (matter) we call 'jisam'.  The spiritual  world
(mujarrad)  is  beyond material time.   The  material  world
(jisam)  is subject to time's control.  The 'tarkibi-ru'  or
'baddha-jiva'  (conditioned soul), is filled  with  material
desires.   His  mind  is filled with  material  ideas.   The
'mujarrad-ru' (liberated soul) is pure and free  from  these
contaminations.   A  person who says,  'alam  misal'  (I  am
spirit) is able to become a 'mujarradi-ru' (liberated soul).
By  the  gradual development of 'esk' (spiritual  love)  the
'ru'  (soul)  becomes purified.  A great saint goes  to  the
abode  of God.  He does not stay in the material world.   In
that  spiritual  world  he is the servant  and  God  is  the
master.   The soul and God have that relationship eternally.
The  attainment of that pure relationship with God is called
liberation.   The sufis explain the Koran in that  way,  but
not everyone is able to understand this explanation.  By the
mercy  of  Lord  Caitanya Mahaprabhu, Canda Kazi  understood
this and taught this to me.  In that way I know that you are
all pure devotees of the Lord.
      Lahiri Mahasaya: What is the teaching that is  at  the
root of the Koran?
      Kazi: there are many teachings in the Koran.  I cannot
single  out  a  particular  kind of  worship  to  tell  you.
However,  the purpose of life is to worship God.  When  they
see  the  supremely blissful Supreme God, all people  become
plunged  into  transcendental  bliss.   Lord  Caitanya   has
explained in this way.
      Lahiri Mahasaya: How does the Koran describe the  form
of God?
      Kazi:  The Koran says that God has no form .  However,
Lord  Caitanya told the Canda Kazi that the meaning of these
words  of  the Koran is that God has no material form.   The
Koran  does  not  mean  to say that  God  does  not  have  a
spiritual  form.  The prophet himself saw the form  of  God,
which is filled with transcendental love.  He also described
all the rasas, but only in a concealed way.
     Lahiri Mahasaya: What do the sufis say?
     Kazi: their philosophy is 'anal hak', which means "I am
God".    In   this   way  the  philosophy   of   the   Vedic
impersonalists and the Muslim sufis is the same.
     Lahiri Mahasaya: Are you a sufi?
      Kazi: No.  I am a pure devotee.  I have surrendered my
life to Lord Caitanya.
      Thus  talking about many things, the saintly kazi  and
the   Vaisnavas  treated  each  other  with  great  respect.
Finally the meeting ended with a great chanting of the  holy
names of Lord Hari.
Chapter Six
Nitya-dharma O Jati-varnadi-bheda
Eternal Religion and the Differences of Caste
      Devidasa Vidyaratna was a teacher.  For many  days  he
had  complete faith that the brahmanas were the best of  all
castes.    He   thought,  "None  but  the  brahmanas   could
understand the spiritual goal of life.  Without first taking
birth in a brahmana family no one can attain liberation.  It
is by birth that one becomes a brahmana".  When he heard the
conversation the Vaisnavas had with Canda Kazi's descendant,
he  became  very  disgusted.  He could  not  enter  into  an
understanding  of the truths explained by the saintly  kazi.
In  his  mind  he thought, "The Yavana caste certainly  acts
strangely.  No one can understand the meaning of  what  they
say.  Ah well, father could read Persian and Arabic.  He has
spend  many days studying religion.  But why does he respect
the  Yavanas so?  In that assembly why did Vaisnava dasa and
the  paramahamsa babaji show so much respect  to  a  Yavana,
whose contaminating touch makes one take a bath?"
      That  night he said, Sambhu, with the fire of logic  I
will  burn  the philosophy of the offenders into ashes.   It
was in Navadvipa that Sarvabhauma and Siromani discussed the
nyaya-sastra.   It was in Navadvipa that Raghunatha  churned
the  twenty  eight truths from the smrti-sastras.   How  can
Hindus  and  Yavanas mingle together in this same Navadvipa?
Perhaps the teachers of Navadvipa do not understand how they
should  act.   In  one or two days this Vidyaratna  will  do
something to set this situation right."
      Nine  hours  had  passed.  Covered by  the  malice  of
clouds,  the  sun had not yet been able to glance  upon  the
earth.   At dawn it rained with thudding sounds of "dipdip".
During  the  twelfth half-hour Devi and Sambhu ate  kichari.
The  Vaisnavas were delayed in their madhukari  begging  for
alms.  By the time the third three hour watch had passed all
the Vaisnavas had honoured prasadam.  Now they stayed in one
part of the malati and madhavi vine terrace and chanted  the
holy names on their beads.  The paramahamsa babaji, Vaisnava
dasa,  pandita Ananta dasa, who had just come from  Nrsimha-
palli,  Lahiri  Mahasaya, and Yadava dasa from  Kuliya  were
happily  chanting the holy names on their tulasi beads.   At
that  time  Vidyaratna Mahasaya, Caturbhuja  Padaratna  from
Samudragara,  Cintamani Nyayaratna from  Varanasi,  Kalidasa
Vasaspati  from  Purvasthali, and the famous  pandita  Krsna
Cudamani  all  came there.  The Vaisnavas very  respectfully
offered  sitting  places to their brahmana  pandita  guests.
The paramahamsa babaji said, "it is said that a day overcast
with  clouds is a bad day indeed.  However, for  us  it  has
become  a  good day, for many learned panditas who  live  in
holy places have mercifully placed the dust of their feet in
my  cottage.   Because they were naturally  humbler  than  a
blade  of  grass,  the  Vaisnavas,  saying,  "We  offer  our
respectful obeisances to the brahmanas", bowed down to offer
their  respects.   Thinking  themselves  very  learned   and
important,  the  brahmanas responded by offering  blessings.
Vidyaratna  had  invited  them there  for  a  great  debate.
Because they were all younger than him, the brahmanas  bowed
down before Lahiri Mahasaya.  Because he now understood  the
real  truth, Lahiri Mahasaya at once reciprocated by  bowing
down before the brahmanas.
      Among  these  panditas, Krsna-cudamani  was  the  most
eloquent.   In Varanasi, Mithila, and many other  places  he
had  defeated  many  panditas with the great  power  of  his
logic.  He was short, splendidly dark, and grave.  His  eyes
glistened  like  two  stars.   It  was  he  who  began   the
discussion with the Vaisnavas.
     He said, "Saying amongst ourselves, 'Today we shall see
the  Vaisnavas',  we have now come here.  We  do  not  think
everything  you  do is very good, but still  we  think  your
single-pointed devotional service is very good indeed.   The
Supreme  Personality of Godhead Himself has said  (Bhagavad-
gita 9.30):
     "Even if one commits the most abominable actions, if he
is  engaged  in  devotional service, he is to be  considered
saintly because he is properly situated."*
      "We offer our respectful obeisances to these words  of
Bhagavad-gita.   Therefore I have  come  here  to  see  many
saintly persons.  However, we have another purpose also.  It
is  this: On the pretext of devotional service you associate
with  Yavanas.  I want to talk with you about that.  One  of
you expert in debate should now please step forward."
     Hearing Cudamani's words, the Vaisnavas became unhappy.
The saintly paramahamsa babaji said, "I am a fool.  What  do
I  know of debates?  As great saints have acted in a saintly
way, so we also try to act.  You please repeat the teachings
of the scriptures and we will listen in silence."
      Cudamani  said, "What kind of talks is this?   If  the
Hindus  do  not  understand the scriptures, then  the  whole
world will perish.  You will act in a way that violates  the
scriptures  and  then you will claim you are  following  the
great  saints.  What is this?  Of what saints do you  speak?
If  they are persons who follow the scriptures and teach the
message of the scriptures, then they are saints indeed.  But
if  the people follow anyone and everyone, calling them  all
great  saints, and if they defend their actions  by  quoting
the words 'mahajano yena gatah sa pantha' (one should accept
whatever progressive path the mahajanas advocate)*, then how
can there be any auspiciousness in this world?"
      Hearing  Cudamani's words, the Vaisnavas assembled  in
one  of  the  cottages to decide what should be done.   They
came  to  this conclusion: When great saints are criticised,
the  Vaisnavas  should, if they are  able,  defend  them  in
debate.  The paramahamsa babaji did not participate in  this
discussion.   Although the pandita Ananta  dasa  Babaji  had
seen the farther shore of the nyaya-sastra, everyone decided
that  Vaisnava  dasa should argue in the  debate.   Everyone
could understand that Devidasa Vidyaratna was the real cause
of  all  this trouble.  Staying among them, Lahiri  Mahasaya
openly  said, "Devi is very proud.  His mind became agitated
when  he saw us associating with the saintly kazi.  That  is
why  he has brought all these panditas." Taking the dust  of
the  paramahamsa babaji's feet, Vaisnava dasa said, "I carry
the   Vaisnavas'  command  upon  my  head.   Today  all   my
scholarship will be successful."
      By  then all the clouds had gone.  A sitting place was
arranged in the grove of malati and madhavi vines.   On  one
side  were the brahmana panditas and on the other  were  all
the  Vaisnavas.  All the Vaisnava panditas from Sri  Godruma
and  Madhyadvipa  came.  Many brahmanas  and  students  from
nearby also joined the meeting.  It was not a small meeting.
On  one  side were a hundred brahmana panditas  and  on  the
other were two hundred Vaisnavas.  Ordered by the Vaisnavas,
Vaisnava   dasa  Babaji  peacefully  sat  in  front.    Then
something  wonderful  happened.   When  they  saw  it,   the
Vaisnavas  happily shouted out the holy name of  Lord  Hari.
The  wonderful  event was this: a cluster of malati  flowers
spontaneously  fell on Vaisnava dasa's head.  The  Vaisnavas
said, "This is a sign of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mercy."
     On the other side Krsna-cudamani turned up his nose and
said,  "You  may think that, but flowers will not  do.   The
tree is known by its fruits."
      Without  showing  any pride, Vaisnava  dasa  declared,
"Today's  meeting  in Navadvipa is just like  a  meeting  in
Varanasi.  This is a source of great joy.  Although  I  live
in  Bengal, I stayed for a long time in Varanasi.   There  I
studied and I also spoke in many meetings.  Therefore  I  am
not accustomed to speak in Bengali.  I wish that for today's
meeting  the  questions and answers shall  be  in  Sanskrit.
Although  Cudamani  had laboured greatly  in  his  scripture
study, aside from memorising some verses he could not  speak
Sanskrit.  Taken aback by Vaisnava dasa's proposal, he said,
"Why?   For  a  meeting in Bengal it is best  to  speak  the
Bengali language.  I am not like the panditas in the western
provinces.  I cannot speak Sanskrit.  Seeing this,  everyone
could  understand the Cudamani was becoming afraid to debate
with  Vaisnava  dasa.   Speaking together  with  one  voice,
everyone requested Vaisnava dasa Babaji to speak in Bengali,
and he agreed.
     To start the debate, Cudamani asked, "Is caste eternal?
Are  the  Yavanas and the Hindus different castes?   Does  a
Hindu fall down by associating with Yavanas?"
     Vaisnava dasa answered, "In the nyaya-sastra it is said
that caste is eternal.  However, the true difference is  not
seen  among  human  beings born in  different  countries  in
different situations.  The real differences are birth  as  a
cow,   or  a  goat,  or  a  human  being.   These  are  real
differences."
      Then  Cudamani  said, "Yes.  What  you  say  is  true.
Still, are the Hindus and the Yavanas in different castes?"
      Vaisnava dasa replied, "Yes.  In one sense there is  a
difference  of  caste,  but that caste  distinction  is  not
eternal.   The  human race is one.  Difference of  language,
country,  garments,  caste and the like are  only  imaginary
differences.
      Cudamani: Are human beings different according to  the
differences of their birth?  If this is not so then  is  the
difference  between a Hindu and a Yavana only the difference
of their clothing and other external things?
      Vaisnava dasa: According to his past karma,  the  soul
accepts  a higher or lower birth.  The differences of  caste
are  considered according to how human beings are  qualified
to  perform  different kinds of work.  The four  castes  are
brahmana,  ksatriya,  vaisya  and  sudra.   All  others  are
outcastes.
     Cudamani: Are the Yavanas not outcastes?
       Vaisnava  dasa:  Yes.   In  the  conclusion  of   the
scriptures  they are outcastes.  They are outside  the  four
castes.
     Cudamani: If this is so, then how can a Yavana become a
Vaisnava,  and  how can a pious Vaisnava  associate  with  a
Yavana?
      Vaisnava  dasa:  One who engages  in  pure  devotional
service  is  a  Vaisnava.  Simply  by  being  human  one  is
qualified to be a Vaisnava.  Because they have taken  a  low
birth,  the  Yavanas  may not be qualified  to  perform  the
duties  of  the  different castes.  Nevertheless,  they  are
perfectly  qualified  to engage in  all  the  activities  of
devotional service.  One who does not understand the  subtle
differences  of  the karma-kanda, jnana-kanda,  and  bhakti-
kanda  parts of the Vedas cannot be said to be truly learned
in the scriptures.
     Cudamani:  Good.  By acting rightly one becomes pure in
heart.   When  the  heart is purified, one is  qualified  to
understand  transcendental knowledge.  Among they  who  have
attained  transcendental knowledge some  are  impersonalists
and  some  are Vaisnavas, who believe in spiritual  variety.
In  the  beginning of spiritual life one must perform  pious
deeds  (karma).   If one's pious deeds have  attained  their
completion,  one  cannot  become a Vaisnava.   However,  the
Muslims   are   not  qualified  to  perform   pious   deeds.
Therefore, how can they ever become qualified to  engage  in
devotional service?
      Vaisnava dasa: Even outcastes can become qualified  to
engage  in  devotional service.  This accepted  by  all  the
scriptures.  In the Bhagavad-gita (9.32) it is written:
      "O  son of Prtha, those who take shelter in Me, though
they be of lower birth - women, vaisyas (merchants), as well
as sudras (workers) approach the supreme destination."*
      Here  the  word 'asraya" means "engage  in  devotional
service".  Also in the Kasi-khanda it is said:
       "Either  a  brahmana,  ksatriya,  vaisya,  sudra,  or
outcaste,  a  person  is  most  exalted  if  he  engages  in
devotional service to Lord Visnu."
     In the Narada Purana it is also said:
      "O  king, a dogeater who is devoted to Lord  Visnu  is
better  than a brahmana.  A sannyasi who is not  devoted  to
Lord Visnu is also inferior to such a dogeater devotee."
      Cudamani:  There are many scripture quotes like  that.
How  should these quotes be understood?  That we  must  see.
How  can the defect that is attained by birth be removed  by
any means other than another birth?
      Vaisnava  dasa: The defect of a low birth  comes  from
prarabdha-karma (past karma that has begun to  bear  fruit).
When one chants the holy names of the Supreme Personality of
Godhead,  those karmic reactions are thrown  far  away.   In
Srimad Bhagavatam (6.16.44) it is said:
      "Merely by hearing the holy name of Your Lordship only
once, even candalas, men of the lowest class, are freed from
all material contamination."*
     It is also dais (Srimad Bhagavatam 6.2.46):
      "Therefore  one  who  desires  freedom  from  material
bondage  should adopt the process of chanting and glorifying
the name, fame, form and pastimes of the Supreme Personality
of  Godhead, at whose feet all the holy places  stand.   One
cannot derive the proper benefit from other methods, such as
pious  atonement, speculative knowledge, and  meditation  in
mystic  yoga, because even after following such methods  one
takes  to  fruitive activities again, unable to control  his
mind, which is contaminated by the base qualities of nature,
namely passion and ignorance."*
     It is also said (Srimad Bhagavatam 3.33.7):
      "Oh,  how glorious are they whose tongues are chanting
Your  holy name!  Even if born in the families of dogeaters,
such  persons are worshipable.  Persons who chant  the  holy
name  of  Your  Lordship  must have executed  all  kinds  of
austerities  and fire-sacrifices and achieved all  the  good
manners of the Aryans.  To be chanting the holy name of Your
Lordship,   they  must  have  bathed  at  holy   places   of
pilgrimage,  studied  the  Vedas, and  fulfilled  everything
required."*
      Cudamani: Why is it, then, that an outcaste who chants
the  holy  name  of  Lord Hari is not qualified  to  perform
yajnas and other rituals?
      Vaisnava dasa: To perform yajnas and other rituals one
needs  to  take birth in a brahmana's home.   A  person  who
takes  birth  in  a  brahmana's home is   not  qualified  to
perform  Vedic  rituals  after he has  received  the  sacred
thread,  so an outcaste who has become purified by  chanting
Lord  Hari's  holy  name but who has not taken  birth  in  a
brahmana's  home  cannot perform yajnas and  other  rituals.
However,  the various activities of devotional  service  are
immeasurably better than the performance of Vedic yajnas.
      Cudamani:  What kind of conclusion is  that?   That  a
person  not qualified for an ordinary thing can be qualified
for an exalted thing!  What is the clear proof for that?
      Vaisnava  dasa: Human activities are of two kinds:  1.
material  and 2. spiritual.  Even after becoming  qualified,
one  may not necessarily be able to perform certain material
activities.   For example, a person born in a Yavana  family
may  become purified and, spiritual speaking, may  become  a
genuine   brahmana.   Still,  according  to   the   material
conception, he is still not qualified to marry a  brahmana's
daughter.
     Cudamani: Why not?  What is wrong with that?
      Vaisnava  dasa: It is wrong to violate social  custom.
They who are proud of their material activities do not break
social  custom, and they who are qualified to make spiritual
advancement do not break social custom either.
      Cudamani:  How  does one become qualified  to  perform
material  activities?   How does  one  become  qualified  to
perform devotional service?
      Vaisnava  dasa: One's nature, birth, and other  things
qualify one to engage in material activities.  Faith in  the
truth qualifies one to perform devotional service.
       Cudamani:   Without  overwhelming  me  with   Vedanta
vocabulary,  please clearly tell me: What  are  the  natures
needed to perform the different kinds of duties?
      Vaisnava  dasa: Some qualities in a brahmana's  nature
are:  1.  peacefulness, 2. self-control,  3.  austerity,  4.
purity,  5.  satisfaction,  6.  tolerance,  7.  honesty,  8.
devotion  to the Supreme Personality of Godhead,  9.  mercy,
and 10. truthfulness.  Some of the qualities in a ksatriya's
nature  are:  1.  power, 2. strength, 3.  determination,  4.
heroism,  5.  tolerance, 6. generosity, 7. perseverance,  8.
gravity,  9.  service to the brahmanas, and 10.  leadership.
Some  of  the  qualities  in  a  vaisya's  nature  are:   1.
religiousness, 2. charity, 3. faith, 4. humbleness,  and  5.
eagerness  to  become wealthy.  Some of the qualities  in  a
sudra's  nature are: 1. service to the brahmanas,  cows  and
demigods,  and  2.  being satisfied with whatever  is  one's
situation  in life.  Some of the qualities in an  outcaste's
nature  are:  1. impurity, 2. untruthfulness, 3.  theft,  4.
atheism, 5. senseless quarrelling, 6. lust, 7. anger, and 8.
desire  for  material sense gratification.   The  scriptures
teach  that  the different castes are determined  by  seeing
these qualities.  To determine the castes by birth alone  is
the  materialistic  practice of modern  times.   A  person's
natural  inclinations and natural ability to learn different
skills  are to some extent determined by birth.  Thus  one's
nature makes him qualified to perform specific duties.   The
nature  of  many people is determined by their birth.   From
childhood  they  manifest certain specific  tendencies.   In
this  way it is seen that one's nature is determined by  his
birth.   However,  birth is not the only factor  determining
one's  nature and one's fitness to perform certain kinds  of
work.   There are many other factors also.  For this  reason
the scriptures affirm that in determining a person's fitness
for  a  certain kind of work, one should examine his  nature
and qualities.
      Cudamani:  What did you mean when you said  the  words
"faith in the truth"?
      Vaisnava dasa: When a person has in his heart  sincere
faith and trust in the Supreme Personality of Godhead,  that
is  called  faith.  When a person is materialistic,  has  an
impure  heart,  in his heart has a false conception  of  the
Supreme  Personality of Godhead, and is selfish. proud,  and
eager  for  fame,  his  faith is called  "insincere".   Some
saintly  persons say that "sincere faith" means "faith  that
follows  the scriptures' teachings".  This kind  of  sincere
faith makes one qualified to engage in devotional service.
      Cudamani: Various persons may possess this "faith that
follows  the  scripture's  teachings",  but  they  are   not
necessarily  all  exalted  great souls.   Are  such  persons
qualified to engage in devotional service?
     Vaisnava dasa: A person's nature makes him qualified to
perform specific duties, but it does not necessarily qualify
him  to  engage in devotional service.  Please look  at  the
explanation  written  in  this  page  of  Srimad  Bhagavatam
(11.20.27-30 and 32-33):
     "Having awakened faith in the narrations of My glories,
being  disgusted with all material activities, knowing  that
all  sense  gratification leads to misery, but  still  being
unable  to  renounce all sense enjoyment, My devotee  should
remain happy and worship Me with great faith and conviction.
Even  though he is sometimes engaged in sense enjoyment,  My
devotee  knows  that  all  sense gratification  leads  to  a
miserable   result,   and   he   sincerely   repents    such
activities.***
      "When  an  intelligent  person engages  constantly  in
worshipping   Me  through  loving  devotional   service   as
described  by Me, his heart becomes firmly situated  in  Me.
Thus all material desires within the heart are destroyed.***
      "The knot in the heart is pierced, all misgivings  are
cut  to  pieces,  and  the  chain  of  fruitive  actions  is
terminated  when  I  am seen as the Supreme  Personality  of
Godhead.*
       "Everything   that  can  be  achieved   by   fruitive
activities,  penance,  knowledge, detachment,  mystic  yoga,
charity, religious duties, and all other means of perfecting
life is easily achieved by My devotee through loving service
unto  Me.   If somehow or other My devotee desires promotion
to  heaven, liberation or residence in My abode,  he  easily
achieves such benedictions."***
     In this way faith in devotional service develops.
      Cudamani:  What  if  I  have  no  respect  for  Srimad
Bhagavatam?
     Vaisnava dasa: Srimad Bhagavatam teaches the conclusion
of  all the scriptures.  The scriptures are one.  If you  do
not respect Srimad Bhagavatam, then you insult all the other
scriptures.   I  do  not  need to show  evidence  from  many
scriptures.   Does  everyone  accept  Bhagavad-gita?   Think
about  that.   When you first spoke from your mouth  came  a
verse   from  Bhagavad-gita,  a  verse  that  contains   the
teachings  of all the scriptures.  In the Gita (9.30-32)  it
is said:
     "Even if one commits the most abominable actions, if he
is  engaged  in  devotional service, he is to be  considered
saintly because he is properly situated.*
      "He  quickly  becomes righteous  and  attains  lasting
peace.   O  son of Kunti, declare it boldly that My  devotee
never perishes.*
      "O  son of Prtha, those who take shelter in Me, though
they be of lower birth - women, vaisyas (merchants), as well
as sudras (workers) approach the supreme destination."*
      These  verses mean that a person who has faith  in  Me
alone  (ananya-bhak) and who engages in  the  activities  of
devotional  service, which begin with hearing  and  chanting
Lord  Hari's holy names and the descriptions of  Lord  Hari,
renounces all impious deeds, which are naturally sources  of
misery.   He renounces materialistic activities  and  he  is
considered  saintly.   In this way he follows  the  glorious
spiritual path.  One path is the path of karma-kanda,  which
begins with the duties of varnasrama.  A second path is  the
path of jnana-kanda, which begins with speculative knowledge
and  renunciation.   The third path is  to  stay  among  the
devotees  and have faith in the holy name of Lord  Hari  and
the  descriptions of Lord Hari.  Sometimes these three paths
are  considered yogas.  In this way they are  called  karma-
yoga,  jnana-yoga  and  bhakti-yoga.  Some  people  practice
these  different yogas.  Thus they are called karma-yogi  or
jnana-yogi.  Among all these yogis, the bhakti-yogi  is  the
best,   for   in   bhakti   yoga   one   attains   limitless
auspiciousness.  At the end of the first six-chapter section
of   Bhagavad-gita   (6-47)  one  may  see   the   following
conclusion:
     "And of all yogis, he who abides in Me with great faith
worshipping  Me  in transcendental loving service,  is  most
intimately  united  with Me in yoga and is  the  highest  of
all."*
      One  must properly understand the meaning of Bhagavad-
gita  9.31.   This verse means that a person who  faithfully
engages  in  devotional service quickly casts far  away  all
faults  in  his  character  and activities.   A  person  who
engages in devotional service to the Supreme Personality  of
Godhead  becomes  pious,  for  the  Supreme  Personality  of
Godhead  is  Himself  the root of all  piety.   The  Supreme
Personality  of Godhead Himself is conquered  by  devotional
service.  When the Supreme Personality of Godhead stays in a
person's  heart, the bondage of maya is at once  thrown  far
away.   Such  a person need not adopt any other  process  to
become  free from maya.  Whether he performs material  pious
deeds  or  not, a devotee's heart is naturally  filled  with
piety and saintliness.  Lust is then thrown far away, and in
its  stead peacefulness enters his heart.  The Supreme  Lord
Himself promises: "My devotee will never perish.*  The karmi
or  jnani may fall into bad company, but My sincere  devotee
will  never fall into bad company, for he always has  Me  as
his  companion.  Therefore he will never fall down.  Whether
born  in  a  sinful family or a brahmana family,  a  devotee
always  has  the  supreme goal of life in the  palm  of  his
hand."
      Cudamani:  Look, my scriptures says the  qualification
that  comes  from  birth  is the best.   I  was  born  in  a
brahmana's  home.   By  chanting  the  Gayatri  mantra   and
performing  other  like  duties  I  will  gradually   attain
transcendental  knowledge  and at  the  end  I  must  attain
liberation.   How does faith arise?  I do not know.   I  see
that  the  Gita  and Bhagavatam teach that  faith  leads  to
devotional service.  Please explain what the soul must do to
attain that faith.
      Vaisnava  dasa:  Faith is part of the  soul's  eternal
nature.   The  duties of varnasrama and  other  like  duties
arise when the soul's temporary nature is manifested.   That
is  the  conclusion of all the scriptures.  In the Chandogya
Upanisad (7.19.1) it is said:
      "A  person who has faith can understand.  A person who
has  no faith cannot understand.  A person who has faith can
understand.   Therefore one should  ask  about  faith."   'O
master, I wish to know about faith.'"
      Some philosophers define the word 'faith' as 'trust in
the  words of the Vedas and the spiritual master'.  That  is
not a wrong definition.  However, it is not very clear.   In
my  sampradaya  'faith' is defined in these  words  (Amnaya-
sutra 57):
      "Faith is a specific activity performed in the  heart.
It  makes one desire to engage in devotional service.  It is
different from the other means of spiritual advancement."
      By  associating  with devotees and repeatedly  hearing
from  them,  a  person becomes convinced in his  heart  that
ordinary   pious   deeds  (karma),  impersonal   speculation
(jnana), and the gymnastics of yoga will not help him  reach
the  eternal  destination, and that  destination  cannot  be
attained by any means other than sincerely taking shelter of
Lord  Hari's feet.  When one thinks in this way he naturally
attains  faith  in the words of the Vedas and the  spiritual
master.   The  nature  of this faith is described  in  these
words (Amnaya-sutra 58):
      "Faith is characterised by taking shelter of the  Lord
and surrendering unto Him."
      Thus  it  is seen that taking shelter of the Lord  and
surrendering  unto  Him is the external  symptom  of  faith.
This  surrender  and taking shelter are described  in  these
words (Sri Hari-bhakti-vilasa 11.417):
      "The six divisions of surrender are the acceptance  of
those things favourable to devotional service, the rejection
of  unfavourable things, the conviction that Krsna will give
protection, the acceptance of the Lord as one's guardian  or
master, full self-surrender and humility."*
      Thus  one makes the following vow: "I will do whatever
is favourable for pure devotional service, and I will reject
whatever  is not favourable for it.  The Supreme Personality
of  Godhead  is my protector.  By being active in impersonal
speculation  (jnana),  yoga, and other  like  activities,  I
cannot  attain anything of value.  I cannot protect  myself.
I  will  serve  the Lord as far as I am able,  and  He  will
protect me.  In this way I will be protected.  Who am I?   I
am  His  property.  Whatever He wishes, that I will do.   In
this  way I will offer myself to Him.  I own nothing.  I  am
poor  and  lowly."   In this way one understands  his  lowly
position.  When this vow, along with trust, confidence  that
the  Lord will give protection, complete self-surrender, and
humility  are  manifested  in  the  heart,  that  is  called
'faith'.  When this faith is manifested in the heart one  is
qualified  to engage in devotional service.  This  faith  is
the  first  step  to becoming pure and eternally  liberated.
This  faith  is  part  of the soul's  eternal  nature.   All
spiritual paths that differ from this faith are temporary in
their nature.
      Cudamani:  I understand that much.  But  how  is  this
faith  attained?  You have not told me that.   If  faith  is
created  by  pious deeds, then my argument is stronger,  for
one  who  does not perform the pious duties and  rituals  of
varnasrama cannot attain faith.  The Yavanas do not  perform
these  pious  varnasrama  duties, so  how  can  they  become
qualified to engage in devotional service?
      Vaisnava  dasa: It is true that faith  is  created  by
pious deeds, for the Narada Purana declares:
      "Devotional  service is attained by  associating  with
devotees.  The association of devotees is attained  by  past
pious deeds."
      Pious  deeds  are  of two kinds: 1.  eternal,  and  2.
temporary.   The  pious  deeds that bring  association  with
devotees  and  devotional service are called  eternal  pious
deeds.    The   pious  deeds  that  bring   material   sense
gratification and impersonal liberation are called temporary
pious deeds.  The pious deeds that bring eternal results are
called  eternal  pious deeds.  The pious  deeds  that  bring
temporary  results are called temporary  pious  deeds.   All
kinds  of material sense gratification are clearly temporary
in  their  nature.  They are not eternal.  Many  think  that
impersonal  liberation is eternal, but such persons  do  not
understand  the  real nature of impersonal liberation.   The
individual  soul  is  pure, eternal,  and  unchanging.   The
individual  soul  imprisoned  in  the  material   world   of
illusions  is  in  his temporary nature.   When  his  prison
shackles  are cut and he is released, that moment is  called
"liberation".  The act of becoming liberated from the prison
occurs  in  a single moment.  Therefore the act of  becoming
liberated is not in itself eternal.  There is the moment  of
liberation,  and  that moment comes to  an  end.   When  the
soul's   temporary  nature  is  destroyed,  the  result   is
liberation.   When  liberation  does  not  occur,  then  the
temporary  state is manifested.  Attraction to  Lord  Hari's
feet never comes to an end.  That attraction is part of  the
soul's eternal nature.  No impartial person will claim  that
these  aspects of the soul's nature are temporary in nature.
So-called  devotional service that ends when  liberation  is
attained is temporary in nature.  That so-called devotion is
actually a specific kind of material activity.  However, the
devotional  service that exists before,  during,  and  after
liberation is eternal.  It is the eternal nature and duty of
the  soul.  Liberation is merely a less-important by-product
of   that  devotional  service.   In  the  Mundaka  Upanisad
(1.2.12) it is said:
      "Seeing  the true nature of the higher worlds attained
by  pious karma, a brahmana does not desire them.  To  learn
transcendental  subject  matter,  one  must   approach   the
spiritual master.  In doing so he should carry fuel to  burn
in  sacrifice.   The symptom of such a spiritual  master  is
that he is expert in understanding the Vedic conclusion, and
therefore  he  constantly engages  in  the  service  of  the
Supreme Personality of Godhead."*
      Pious  fruitive  work (karma), impersonal  speculation
(jnana) and yoga are all temporary pious deeds.  Association
with devotees and the performance of activities that lead to
devotional  service are eternal pious deeds.  A  person  who
for  many  previous births has performed such eternal  pious
deeds  attains faith.  A person who performs temporary pious
deeds  may attain many different results, but faith in  pure
devotional service is not one of them.
      Cudamani:  Please  clearly describe  association  with
devotees  and  the performance of activities  that  lead  to
devotional service.  What kind of pious deeds are these?
      Vaisnava dasa: Conversing with a pure devotee, serving
him,   and  hearing  his  explanations,  all  these  I  call
association with devotees.  Chanting the holy names in towns
and  cities in the company of other devotees, and other like
activities,  are  all  activities  of  devotional   service.
Giving  charity  and  performing  yoga,  when  connected  to
devotional  service, are activities that lead to  devotional
service.   In  the scriptures it is said that  cleaning  the
temple of Lord Hari, offering a lamp to tulasi-devi, fasting
on  ekadasi  and  other like activities, are  activities  of
devotional service.  Even if they are performed without pure
faith,  or  even  if they are performed accidentally,  these
pious activities still increase one's devotion for the Lord.
When these pious deeds gradually become powerful, after many
births  they  lead  to  pure faith  in  the  association  of
devotees  and  the  performance of pure devotional  service.
The  word "vastu-sakti" means that every thing has a certain
innate power.  The activities of devotional service have the
power  to  increase one's love and devotion  for  the  Lord.
Even  if  they are performed without faith, or even if  they
are  performed with contempt, they still bring good results,
what to speak of when they are performed with faith.  In the
Prabhasa-khanda it is said:
     "Krsna's name is the sweetest of sweet things, the most
auspicious of auspicious things, the transcendental fruit of
the  vine  of  all Vedic literature.  O best of the  Bhrgus,
chanted  even  once,  either  with  faith  or  contempt,  it
delivers the chanter."*
     Thus these pious deeds that increase one's devotion for
the  Lord are all eternal pious deeds.  As these pious deeds
gradually  become  powerful,  they  lead  to  faith  in  the
association  of  devotees  and  the  performance   of   pure
devotional service.  Because of his past temporary  misdeeds
a  person may take birth in a Yavana's home, and because  of
past  eternal pious deeds he may also attain faith  in  pure
devotional service.  What is surprising about that?
      Cudamani: I say that if a person has performed even  a
small  number  of  the pious deeds that lead  to  devotional
service, then his other deeds must all be pious deeds  also.
One  who  is born as a Yavana cannot possibly have performed
only  pious deeds, and therefore it is not possible that  in
the  past  he  performed  the  pious  deeds  that  lead   to
devotional service.
      Vaisnava  dasa:  One should not have  such  a  belief.
Eternal   pious   deeds  and  temporary  pious   deeds   are
independent of each other.  One does not need the  other  to
exist.   It  is said that a hunter who was filled with  many
sins  and  misdeeds by accident fasted and kept an all-night
vigil  on  a  day  sacred  to  Lord  Siva,  and  because  of
performing  this eternal pious deed he attained devotion  to
Lord   Hari.   It  is  said  (Srimad  Bhagavatam  11.13.16),
"vaisnavanam  yatha  sambhuh" (A great  Vaisnava  like  Lord
Siva).   Because of these words I accept that Lord  Siva  is
supremely worshipable, and a great Vaisnava also.  Therefore
by  observing his holy day one can certainly attain devotion
to Lord Hari.
      Cudamani:  Then  you  say it is  possible  to  perform
eternal pious deeds accidentally?
      Vaisnava dasa:  All is an accident.  Even the path  of
karma  is like that.  It was by accident that the individual
soul  first  fell into the cycle of karma.   What  was  that
chance accident?  The followers of karma-mimamsa claim  that
karma  has  no beginning, but the truth is that there  is  a
root  from which karma has grown.  In the individual  soul's
aversion  to  the  Supreme Personality  of  Godhead  is  the
accident that is the root of karma.  As that is believed  to
be  an accident, so eternal pious deeds may also be believed
to  be chance accidents.  In the Svetasvatara Upanisad (4.6-
7) it is said:
      "Although  the  two birds are on the  same  tree,  the
eating  bird is fully engrossed with anxiety and  moroseness
as  the  enjoyer of the fruits of the tree.  But if in  some
way  or  other he turns his face to his friend  who  is  the
Lord,  and  knows  His glories, at once the  suffering  bird
becomes free of all anxieties."*
     In Srimad Bhagavatam (10.51.53 and 3.25.22) it is said:
      "O my Lord! O infallible Supreme Person! When a person
wandering  throughout  the universes  becomes  eligible  for
liberation  from material existence, he gets an  opportunity
to   associate  with  devotees.   When  he  associates  with
devotees, his attraction for You is awakened.  You  are  the
Supreme  Personality  of Godhead, the highest  goal  of  the
supreme devotees and the Lord of the universe."*
      "The  spiritually powerful message of Godhead  can  be
properly discussed only in the society of devotees,  and  it
is  greatly  pleasing to hear in that association.   If  one
hears  from  devotees, the way of transcendental  experience
quickly opens, and gradually one attains firm faith that  in
due course develops into attraction and devotion."*
      Cudamani:  In  your  opinion is  there  no  difference
between a Hindu and a Yavana?
      Vaisnava  dasa: There are two kinds of difference:  1.
spiritual and 2. material.  Spiritually, Hindus and  Yavanas
are   not  different.   However,  materially  there   is   a
difference.
      Cudamani: Why do you speak with the pompous  words  of
the  Vedanta?  What is the material difference  between  the
Hindus and Yavanas?
      Vaisnava  dasa:  I speak of material  social  customs.
According  to  the material idea, a Yavana  is  untouchable.
Thus,  in  the materialists' idea, one should neither  touch
nor  associate with a Yavana.  Thus, a Hindu  touched  by  a
Yavana  must at once bathe with water.  Also, a Hindu should
not  accept food or other things from a Yavana.  Because  it
is  attained by committing sinful deeds, a Yavana's body  is
horrible   and   should  be  avoided.    Therefore   it   is
untouchable.
      Cudamani:  If this is so, then how can the Hindus  and
Yavanas be the same spiritually?  Please clearly explain.
     Vaisnava dasa: The scriptures declare:
      "O  best  of the Bhrgus, the holy name of  Lord  Krsna
delivers the chanter."*
     These words mean that the Yavanas and everyone else can
attain  the  supreme spiritual goal of life by chanting  the
holy name of Lord Krsna.  In this way the Hindus and Yavanas
may  become  equals.   A human being who  does  not  perform
eternal  pious  deeds  like chanting Lord  Krsna's  name  is
declared by the scriptures to be "dvi-pada-pasu" (an  animal
pretending  to  be a human being).  This is because  such  a
person  has  no  faith  in  the holy  name  of  Lord  Krsna.
Although  such  a  person may have taken birth  as  a  human
being,  he  is not really human.  In truth he is an  animal.
The Mahabharata explains:
      "O  king,  a person whose past pious deeds  are  small
cannot  have  faith in Lord Govinda, the  remnants  of  food
offered to Him, His holy name, or His devotees."
      Eternal pious deeds, which purify the soul, are called
"great  pious  deeds".   Temporary pious  deeds,  which  are
performed  without spiritual faith, are called "small  pious
deeds."   The  remnants of food offered to Lord Krsna,  Lord
Krsna,  Lord  Krsna's holy name, and the  pure  Vaisnavah  -
these four are spiritual.  They reveal the spiritual truth.
      Cudamani  (with a smile): What kind of talk  is  this?
This  is  just the Vaisnavas' fanatic dogma.  How can  rice,
dal, and curry be spiritual?  There is nothing that you will
not claim.
      Vaisnava  dasa: Do what you like, but  please  do  not
criticise the Vaisnavas.  That is my request.  In a  debate,
only the various arguments should be considered.  Why do you
need  to  verbally attack the Vaisnavas?   The  remnants  of
foods  offered  to  the Lord are beyond  the  touch  of  the
material world.  One should not eat foods that are not  thus
offered to the Lord, for eating the remnants of food offered
to  the  Lord illumines the way to the spiritual  world  and
drives away all that is foolish and material.  Therefore Sri
Isopanisad (Mantra 1) explains:
      "Everything  animate or inanimate that is  within  the
universe  is controlled and owned by the Lord.   One  should
therefore  accept only those things necessary  for  himself,
which  are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept
other things, knowing well to whom they belong."*
       Whatever  exists  in  the  material  universe  has  a
relationship with the potency of the Supreme Personality  of
Godhead.    A  person  who  sees  that  everything   has   a
relationship  with the Lord's potency will  not  attempt  to
enjoy  the  things of this external material  world.   If  a
spiritually  conscious soul accepts only  what  he  must  to
maintain  his  material  body  in  this  world,  and  if  he
understands  that everything is the Supreme  Personality  of
Godhead's  mercy, then he will not fall down.  That  is  the
way  a person eager to attain the spiritual world will  act.
Therefore  the  remnants of food offered to Lord  Krsna  are
called  'maha-prasada' (great mercy).  Still,  you  are  not
attracted  to  these  spiritual  things  -  that   is   your
misfortune.
      Cudamani:  Let's change the subject.   Let's  consider
ordinary  material  things:  How  should  one  behave   with
Yavanas?
      Vaisnava  dasa: As long as a person is  a  Yavana,  we
should ignore him.  However, if by performing eternal  pious
deeds,  the Yavana becomes a Vaisnava, then I will  not  use
the  word "Yavana" to refer to him.  The scriptures  declare
(Padma Purana and Itihasa-samuccaya):
      "He goes to hell who thinks in terms of his birth  and
caste, and who thus sees a Vaisnava as a sudra, a barbarian,
or an outcaste."
      "The  Supreme Personality of Godhead said:  A  scholar
learned  in  the  four Vedas is not truly dear  to  Me.   An
outcaste who has become My devotee is truly dear to Me.   To
him  gifts  should be given.  From him blessings  should  be
accepted.  He should be worshipped as much as I."
     Cudamani: I understand.  If this is so, then why cannot
a  Vaisnava  householder  marry his  daughter  to  a  Yavana
Vaisnava, or why cannot he himself marry the daughter  of  a
Yavana Vaisnava?
     Vaisnava dasa: In ordinary material understanding, when
a  person  is  born in a Yavana family he remains  a  Yavana
until  his  death.  However, in the spiritual understanding,
when  he  engages in devotional service he is  a  Yavana  no
longer.  Ten kinds of ordinary social rites are described in
the   Smrti-sastra.   Marriage  is  one  of  them.    If   a
householder Vaisnava is a Hindu, then he has a status within
the four castes and it is proper that he should marry within
his  own caste, for in ordinary material dealings it is best
to  accept the temporary duties assigned to the four castes.
One  does  not  become a Vaisnava merely  by  rejecting  the
duties of the four castes.  A true Vaisnava who do  whatever
is  favourable for devotional service.  If a person  becomes
spiritually  advanced,  and  thus  qualified  to  ignore  or
renounce the duties of the four castes, then he may  do  so.
Then he may renounce all duties of the four castes.  If  the
duties  of  the  four castes are not  favourable  for  one's
devotional  service, then they may be easily  rejected.   If
association   with  the  Yavanas  is  not   favourable   for
devotional  service, then a faithful Yavana Vaisnava  should
reject their association.  What is the difference between  a
Hindu  Vaisnava who properly rejects the duties of the  four
castes  and  a Yavana Vaisnava who rejects association  with
Yavanas?   Both have rejected what is material and inferior.
Spiritually  they are brothers.  However, this  may  not  be
true for a householder Vaisnava.  Even though his associates
and  duties may not always be favourable for his advancement
in   devotional   service,  he  should  not  renounce   them
prematurely.  He may renounce them only when he is  properly
qualified.   However,  when  his  attachment  to  devotional
service  becomes  very  strong, he will  naturally  renounce
unfavourable  association and duties.  In Srimad  Bhagavatam
(11.11.32) the Supreme Personality of Godhead explains:
       "Understanding  these  virtues  and  faults  I   have
described, a sincere devotee renounces all ordinary material
duties and worships Me alone.  Such a devotee is the best of
all."
      In  the concluding statements of Bhagavad-gita (18.66)
the Supreme Personality of Godhead declares:
      "Abandon  all varieties of religion and just surrender
unto Me.  I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions.  Do
not fear."*
     In Srimad Bhagavatam (4.29.54) it is said:
      "When a person is fully engaged in devotional service,
he is favoured by the Lord, who bestows His causeless mercy.
At  such  a time, the awakened devotee gives up all material
activities  and  ritualistic performances mentioned  in  the
Vedas."*
      Cudamani:  If a Yavana becomes a sincere Vaisnava,  cn
you take food, drink and other things with him?
      Vaisnava  dasa:   Sannyasi Vaisnavas  may  take  maha-
prasada   with   them.   Householder   Vaisnavas   who   are
materialistic may not be so inclined.  However, there is  no
rule  forbidding one from even taking the remnants  of  food
left  by any other Vaisnavas.  Indeed, one should take their
remnants.
      Cudamani:  Why  is it, then, that in Vaisnava  temples
Yavana Vaisnavas are not allowed to touch the Deities?
     Vaisnava dasa: It is an offense to call a Vaisnava born
in  a Yavana family a "Yavana Vaisnava".  Simply by being  a
Vaisnava,  he  is  qualified to  serve  Lord  Krsna.   If  a
householder  Vaisnava engaged in serving the  Deity  of  the
Lord is, in the opinion of materialistic person, outside the
caste-rules of varnasrama dharma, the Vaisnava is  at  fault
only  from  the  point of view of persons  eager  to  follow
material  customs.   Still, a sannyasi Vaisnava  should  not
worship  the  Deity, for if he worships the Deity  then  his
status  as a person beyond the caste-system becomes  ruined.
Instead,  in  his  heart he should worship Lord  Krsna,  the
beloved of Sri Radha.
     Cudamani: I understand.  Now please tell what you think
about the brahmanas.
     Vaisnava dasa: Brahmanas are of two kinds: 1. brahmanas
by  nature  and 2. brahmanas only by birth.   They  who  are
brahmanas by nature are mostly Vaisnavas.  Serious  thinkers
from  every philosophical camp will honour such a  brahmana.
They  who  are  brahmanas by birth are honoured  because  of
ordinary  social  customs.  That  the  Vaisnavas  should  be
honoured  as  the  genuine brahmanas  is  confirmed  by  the
following words of scripture (Srimad Bhagavatam 7.9.10):
      "If  a  brahmana  has all twelve  of  the  brahmanical
qualifications (as they are stated in the book called Sanat-
sujata) but is not a devotee and is averse to the lotus feet
of  the Lord, he is certainly lower than a devotee who is  a
dogeater  but  who has dedicated everything -  mind,  words,
activities, wealth, and life - to the Supreme Lord.  Such  a
devotee  is better than such a brahmana because the  devotee
can  purify his whole family, whereas the so-called brahmana
in a position of false prestige cannot purify even himself.*
      Cudamani:  The  sudras are not allowed  to  study  the
Vedas.   If a sudra becomes a Vaisnava would he not then  be
allowed to study the Vedas?
      Vaisnava dasa: Regardless of the caste in which he was
born,  a  pure  Vaisnava  becomes a  brahmana  according  to
spiritual  calculations.  The Vedas  are  divided  into  two
parts:  1.  the Veda describing ordinary rituals and  duties
and  2.  the Veda describing the spiritual truth.  They  who
are  brahmanas because of social custom are allowed to study
the  Veda  describing ordinary rituals and duties, and  they
who  are  brahmanas according to spiritual calculations  are
allowed  to  study  the  Veda that describes  the  spiritual
truth.  Regardless of the caste in which he was born, a pure
Vaisnava is perfectly qualified to study and teach the  Veda
that  describes the spiritual truth.  This is  described  in
the following words of Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad (4.4.21):
     "A wise brahmana should study the part of the Veda that
describes the Supreme Personality of Godhead."
     It is also said (Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad 3.8.10):
     "He is a miserly man who does not solve the problems of
life  as a human and who thus quits this world like the cats
and   dogs,  without  understanding  the  science  of  self-
realisation."*
      "He  is a brahmana who does solve the problems of life
as a human and who quits this world knowing the truth of the
eternal Supreme Personality of Godhead."
      They  who  are brahmanas because of social custom  are
described in these words of Manu-samhita (2.168):
      "A  brahmana who does not study the Vedic literatures,
and  who instead laboriously studies many other books  about
material  things  becomes at once, in this life,  and  along
with his entire family, a sudra."
      The  qualification of a person entitled to  study  the
Veda  that describes the spiritual truth is stated in  these
words (Svetasvatara Upanisad 6.23):
     "Only unto those great souls who have implicit faith in
both  the Lord and the spiritual master are all the  imports
of Vedic knowledge automatically revealed."*
      The  word  "para  bhakti" here means "pure  devotional
service".   I  cannot  say  more on  this  subject.   Please
understand  it  as  far  as  you  are  able.   The   summary
conclusion  of all this is: A person who has faith  in  pure
devotional  service is qualified to study the  part  of  the
Veda  describing  spiritual truth,  and  a  person  who  has
attained  pure devotional service is qualified to teach  the
part of the Veda describing spiritual truth.
      Cudamani: Is your conclusion, then, that the  part  of
the  Vedas  describing  spiritual  truth  teaches  only  the
Vaisnava religion and does not teach any other religion?
     Vaisnava dasa: There is only one religion.  There is no
such  thing as two religions.  That one religion  is  called
"the  eternal  religion" or "the Vaisnava religion".   Other
religions are temporary.  They serve as steps leading up  to
the  Vaisnava  religions.   In the  Eleventh  Canto  (Srimad
Bhagavatam  11.14.3)  the  Supreme  Personality  of  Godhead
explains:
      "By the influence of time, the transcendental soul  of
Vedic  knowledge  was  lost  at the  time  of  annihilation.
Therefore, when the subsequent creation took place, I  spoke
the  Vedic  knowledge  to Brahma because  I  Myself  am  the
religions principles enunciated in the Vedas."***
     The Katha Upanisad (1.2.15 and 1.3.9) explains:
      "All  the  Vedas  describe the abode  of  the  Supreme
Personality  of Godhead...Now I will briefly  describe  that
abode to you."
      "The  realm  of  Lord Visnu is the  supreme  spiritual
abode."
     When the discussion had reached this point the faces of
Devi  Vidyaratna  and  his associates had  become  pale  and
withered.    The  great  pandita  teachers  were  completely
demoralised.  It was no five o' clock.  Everyone said,  "Let
us  end  the meeting now."  Everyone agreed, and the meeting
ended.   With  one voice the brahmana panditas  praised  the
learning of Vaisnava dasa.  Chanting the holy names of  Lord
Hari as they went, the Vaisnavas returned to their homes.