Contents

Bhaktivinoda Thakura

Sri Jaiva-dharma

Volume Three

 
Table of Contents

Chapter Twelve - Nitya-dharma O Sadhana
Eternal    Religion    and   Devotional   Service    in    Practice

Chapter Thirteen - Nitya-dharma O Sambandhabhidheya-prayojana (Pramana-
vicara O Prameya Arambha)
Eternal Religion and Sambandha, Abhidheya, and Prayojana
(Evidence and Truth)

Chapter Fourteen - Nitya-dharma O Sambandhabhidheya-prayojana (Prameyantar-
gata Sakti-vicara)
Eternal Religion and Sambandha, Abhidheya and Prayojana (A Description of
the Lord's potencies)

Chapter Fifteen
Nitya-dharma O Sambandhabhidheya Prayojana (Prameyantargata jiva-vicara)
Eternal Religion and Sambandha, Abhidheya, and Prayojana
(The Individual Spirit Souls)

Chapter Sixteen
Nitya-dharma O Sambandhabhidheya Prayojana (Prameyantar-gata Maya-kavalita Jiva-vicara)
Eternal Religion and Sambandha, Abhidheya and Prayojana
(The Individual Souls Swallowed by Maya)

Chapter Seventeen
Nitya-dharma O Sambandhabhidheya Prayojana (Prameyantar-gata Maya-mukta-jiva-vicara)
Eternal Religion and Sambandha, Abhidheya, and Prayojana
(The Souls Free from Maya's Prison)

Chapter Twelve
Nitya-dharma O Sadhana
Eternal Religion and Devotional Service in Practice
      Sri  Navadvipa-mandala is the best of all holy places in  the
world.   It  is  a thirty-two mile eight petal lotus  flower.   The
whorl  of  that lotus flower is Sri Antardvipa.  In the  centre  of
Antardvipa  is Sri Mayapura.  To the north of Sri Mayapura  is  Sri
Simantadvipa.   In  Simantadvipa is a temple of Sri  Sinmanta-devi.
To the north of that temple is Bilva-puskarini, and to the south is
Brahmana-puskarini.   The region that contains Bilva-puskarini  and
the Brahmana-puskarini is called Sumuliya by the people in general.
Therefore the village of Sumuliya-grama is in the northern part  of
Sri  Navadvipa.  At the time of Sri Mahaprabhu this place  was  the
home  of  many, many panditas.  This village was the home of  Saci-
devi's  father, Sri Nilambara Cakravarti.  Not far from  his  house
lived a vaidika brahmana named Vrajanatha Bhattacarya.  By studying
in a school at Bilva-puskarini, in a few days he had attained great
learning in nyaya-sastra, learning that was like a shoreless ocean.
All  the  famous  panditas of Bilva-puskarini,  Brahmana-puskarini,
Mayapura, Godruma, Madhyadvipa, Amraghatta, Samudragar, Kuliya  and
many   other  places  also  were  embarrassed  and  frustrated   by
Vrajanatha's  skill in newer and newer logical arguments.   In  the
assemblies  where  the panditas were invited, Vrajanatha  Pancanana
became  like  a lion attacking a herd of elephants.  Raising  newer
and  newer  arguments, he made the panditas burn  with  anger.   Of
these  panditas  a  very  hard-hearted  logician  decided  to  kill
Pancanana  by casting a spell from the Tantras.  Day after  day  he
stayed in the cremation ground of Rudradvipa and chanted mantras to
kill his foe.
     It was a frightening new-moon night.  Blinding darkness filled
every  direction.   At  midnight in the cremation  ground  Naiyika-
cudamani  called out to his worshipable deity, "O mother  only  you
should  be worshipped in the Kali-yuga!  I have heard that you  are
very  easily pleased by even a little chanting of your mantras  and
you  easily  grant boons.  O mother with the terrifying face,  your
servant has performed great austerities and chanted your mantra for
many  days.   Please be merciful this one time.  O mother,  I  have
many  faults.  Still, you are my mother.  Please forgive my  faults
and  appear  before me.  Again and again screaming,  Tarka-cudamani
offered  oblations into the fire and chanted a mantra  with  Nyaya-
pancanana's  name.  What wonderful power did that  mantra  possess!
At  that  moment the sky became  covered with clouds.   A  powerful
wind blew.  A deafening thunder sounded.  Again and again there was
lightning.   Many grotesque ghosts could be seen.   Intoxicated  by
drinking  the  sacrificial wine, Cudamani called  out,  "O  mother,
please  don't delay!"  At that moment a voice spoke from  the  sky.
"Do not worry.  Nyaya-pancanana will not continue as a logician for
many  more  days.  In a few days he will renounce logical  debates.
Then  he  will become silent.  He will be your opponent no  longer.
Be  peaceful  and  go  home."  Hearing this  voice  from  the  sky,
Cudamani  became  happy.   Again  and  again  he  offered  dandavat
obeisances  to  Lord  Siva, the author of  the  Tantras.   Then  he
returned home.
      Vrajanatha Pancanana became a dig-vijayi pandita when he  was
only  twenty one years old.  Day and night he studied the books  of
Gangesopadhyaya.   Seeing  many  faults  in  Kanabhatta  Siromani's
commentary,  he  wrote  his own.  He never thought  about  material
affairs.   Neither  would he turn his ear to spiritual  life.   His
whole  life  was logic, filled with phrases like "ghata,  pata  and
avaccheda,  vyavaccheda".   Even when  he  was  resting,  sleeping,
eating  or  walking  about, his heart was rapt in  logic,  thinking
about  the nature of time, reality, solids, liquids and a  host  of
other  things.  One day at sunrise at the Ganges' shore, as he  was
analysing the sixteen categories enunciated by Gautama Muni, a  new
nyaya  student  asked, "O saintly Nyaya-pancanana, have  you  heard
Nimai  Pandita's  analysis of the atomic theory?"   Nyaya-pancanana
roared  like  a  lion,  "Who is Nimai Pandita?   Do  you  speak  of
Jaganatha  Misra's son?  What was His argument?  Please  tell  me."
The new student said that some days before in Navadvipa there was a
great   person  named  Nimai  Pandita.   He  was  very  expert   in
considering  many  different arguments  of  the  nyaya-sastra.   He
thoroughly  embarrassed  and defeated Kanabhatta  Siromani.   Nimai
Pandita had travelled to the father shore of the ocean of the nyaya-
sastras.   Even though He was so learned, in the end He  considered
the  nyaya-sastras to be insignificant.  He came  to  consider  all
material knowledge unimportant.  He became a sannyasi and travelled
from  place  to  place preaching the chanting of Lord  Hari's  holy
names.  The Vaisnavas say He was the Supreme Personality of Godhead
Himself, and they worship Him by chanting the "Gaura-Hari"  mantra.
O  saintly  Nyaya-pancanana, please take  a  look  at  His  logical
arguments."   After hearing this praise of Nimai Pandita's  logical
arguments,  Pancanana  began  to  collect  some  of  those   famous
arguments.   It  is  the  nature of a man  that  when  he  is  very
interested in a certain subject, he will honour the great  teachers
of  that subject.  Also. people tend not to honour great men  while
they  are  alive,  but  only after they  are  dead.   Thus,,  after
studying  Nimai  Pandita's logical arguments, Nyaya-pancanana  held
Him in great esteem.  He would say, "O Nimai Pandita, if only I had
been  born during Your time!  Then I could have been Your  student!
Then I could have attained great learning!  O Nimai Pandita, please
just once enter my heart! You are in truth the Supreme Brahman.  If
this  were not so, then how could these wonderful logical arguments
have entered Your intelligence?  You are in truth Lord Hari with  a
fair  complexion.   How  can this not be?   You  created  the  most
wonderful  logical arguments.  You destroyed the blinding  darkness
of  ignorance.   Now is especially the time of blinding  ignorance.
You  are  fair and effulgent.  You throw the darkness of  ignorance
far  away.  You are Lord Hari Himself.  How can this not  be?   You
enchanted  the  minds  of  the entire  world.   With  Your  logical
arguments  You have certainly enchanted my mind."  Again and  again
speaking  words like these, Vrajanatha became like  a  madman.   He
called out, "O Nimai Pandita!  O Gaura-Hari!  Please be merciful to
me!"  He called out, "When will I be able to make logical arguments
like  Yours?   Please be merciful to me, so I  can  become  a  most
powerful scholar of the nyaya-sastra!"
      Vrajanatha  thought, "The worshippers of Gaura-Hari  must  be
attracted to Him as I am, because of His great skill in  logic.   I
must  see  if  they  have  any books about logic  written  by  Him.
Thinking  in  this  way, Vrajanatha decided to associate  with  the
devotees of Lord Gauranga.
     Thus Vrajanatha again and again loudly chanted "Nimai Pandita!
Gaura-Hari!"  and  many other holy names  of  the  Lord.   He  also
desired  to associate with the devotees of Lord Gaura.   These  two
acts brought him great spiritual merit just on the verge of bearing
fruit.   One day, as he was taking his meal, he asked his  paternal
grandmother,  "O saintly grandmother, did you ever see  Gaura-Hari?
When  she heard the name of Lord Gauranga, Vrajanatha's grandmother
began  to think of her childhood.  She said, "Ah, will the charming
form of Gauranga ever again come before my eyes?  Who can remain  a
materialists after seeing Him?  When He chanted the holy  names  of
Lord  Hari,  even  the animals, birds, trees and vines  all  became
stunned, overcome with spiritual love.  When I think of Him,  tears
from  my  eyes stream over my chest."  Vrajanatha asked, "O saintly
grandmother,  do you know any stories about Him?"  The  grandmother
replied,  "Yes.   When He came to His maternal uncle's  house  with
Mother  Saci,  the  elderly  women of  our  family  serve  Him  the
vegetable  saka.   Praising  the  saka,  He  happily  ate  it.    O
Vrajanatha,  when His mother brought the plate of  saka,  he  said,
"Saka  is the favourite of the logician Nimai Pandita", and he  ate
it with great relish.  No one can describe how much Vrajanatha, who
was  completely uninterested in spiritual life, became attached  to
Nimai Pandita because of Nimai's great learning in logic.  He  took
a  fancy  to  Nimai.  When he heard Nimai's name he  became  happy.
When  he  gave alms to a beggar, he always said "Jaya Sacinandana!"
he  would visit the pandita babajis of Sri Mayapura, listen to them
chant  the holy names of Lord Gauranga, and ask them many questions
about  the Lord's victories in learned debate.  In this way two  or
four  months passed.  Vrajanatha was now a changed man.  Previously
it  was  only  the descriptions of Nimai's learning in  logic  that
pleased him.  Now any talk about Nimai pleased him.  Now he was  no
longer interested in logic.  The logician Nimai no longer lived  in
his heart.  Now it was the devotee Nimai who lived there.  When  he
heard the sounds of khola and karatalas, his heart danced.  When he
saw  the  pure  devotees, he bowed down before them  in  his  mind.
Declaring  that  it  was  the  birthplace  of  Lord  Gauranga,   he
worshipped  the land of Navadvipa.  Vrajanatha was now  polite  and
gentle.   His  opponents in the debating arena could see  that  his
heart  had become calm and cool.  No longer was he eager to  shower
them with arrows of logical arguments.  Nyaya-cudamani thought  his
worshipable deity had made Vrajanatha powerless.  Now he felt safe.
      One day, in a secluded place, Vrajanatha said to himself, "If
Nimai  could  abandon the path of logic and turn  to  the  path  of
devotion,  then  what  is the harm we do  the  same?   When  I  was
obsessed  with  logic,  I could not hear the  name  of  Nimai  with
attention and devotion.  Then the nyaya-sastra had me in its  grip.
Then  I ignored eating, sleeping, and everything else.  Now I  look
at  the  world  with different eyes.  The arguments of  the  nyaya-
sastra no longer enters my mind.  Now only the name Gauranga enters
my  minds.   Now  when  I see the Vaisnavas  dancing  I  think  how
beautiful  the  dancing is.  But I am born in  an  exalted  vaidika
brahmana  dynasty.   My  dynasty  is  honoured  in  society.    The
Vaisnavas are very respectable people.  Still, it is not good  that
I  join them.  I worship Lord Gaura only within my thoughts.   That
is  the only proper way for me to act.  There are many Vaisnavas at
Sri  Mayapura, at the place where the Kazi broke the drums  and  at
the  place  where there are many sannyasis.  When I see  how  their
faces  are  effulgent,  I become happy at heart.   Among  them  Sri
Raghunatha dasa babaji greatly attracts my mind.  I think I  should
study  the bhakti-sastras under his guidance.  In the Vedas  it  is
said (Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad 4.5.6):
      "One  should  always  gaze upon, hear about,  think  of,  and
meditate on the Supreme Personality of Godhead."
      Although  the word "mantavyah" (one should think  about  Him)
here  certainly  refers  to  the nyaya-sastras,  where  by  logical
analysis  one  gradually attains knowledge of the Supreme,  I  have
already spent a long time studying logic.  Now I think it is  right
for me to do a little more "srotavyah" (hearing about the Supreme).
For  a long time logic was my life and soul.  Now I desire to  take
shelter of Lord Gaura-Hari's feet.  A little after sunset I will go
to  see Sri Raghunatha dasa babaji.  I think that is the best thing
to do."
      The  day  was ended.  The sun was almost invisible.   A  very
gentle  breeze blew from the south.  In every direction  the  birds
had  gone to their nests.  One by one the stars were visible in the
sky.  At that time the Vaisnavas had begun the arati and kirtana in
the  courtyard of Srivasa's home in Sri Mayapura.  Vrajanatha  then
slowly  entered and sat down under the bakula tree in the place  in
Srivasa's courtyard where the khola was broken.  As he listened  to
the  chanting  in  the arati of Lord Gaura-Hari, his  heart  became
softened.   When  the kirtana ended, one by one the Vaisnavas  came
and  sat  under  the  bakula tree also.   When,  proclaiming  "Jaya
Sacinanandana!,  Jaya  Rupa-Sanatana!  and  Jaya  Dasa   Gosvami!",
elderly Raghunatha dasa Babaji Mahasaya also entered the courtyard,
all  the elder Vaisnavas greeted him with dandavat obeisances.   In
that  situation Vrajanatha could not avoid also bowing down  before
him.   Seeing  the  effulgence of Vrajanatha's  face,  the  elderly
babaji embraced him and sat down beside him.  He asked, "Baba,  who
are  you?"  Vrajanatha replied, "I am a person who thirsts for  the
truth.   I  have decided to learn the truth from you.   A  Vaisnava
sitting nearby knew who Vrajanatha was.  He said, "He is Vrajanatha
Nyaya-pancanana.  In understanding nyaya-sastra no pandita  in  Sri
Navadvipa is his equal.  Nowadays he has attained a little faith in
Lord  Sacinanandana.  Thus hearing the glories of  Vrajanatha,  the
elderly babaji politely said, "Baba, you are a pandita, and we  are
poor   fools.    You  reside  in  the  holy  abode  of   our   Lord
Sacinanandana.  It is you who should be merciful to us.  How can we
teach  you?   It  is you who should mercifully tell us  about  Lord
Gauranga, and thus makes us cool and peaceful."  As the two of them
conversed, all the Vaisnavas gradually left to fulfil their various
duties.  Only the old babaji and Vrajanatha remained.
      Vrajanatha said, "O saintly babaji, I was born as a brahmana.
Therefore I am very proud of my learning.  I am so proud that I see
the  entire  world as my possession.  I do not know that  I  should
honour  saintly persons.  How did I become fortunate,  that  I  now
have  some faith in your saintly character and actions?  How can  I
know  that?   I  wish to ask one or two questions.   Please  answer
them.  I do not come to mock or trick you.  Please tell me: What is
the  true goal of life and how may the spirit soul attain it?  When
I  studied  nyaya-sastra  I came to the firm  conclusion  that  the
Supreme   Lord  and  the  individual  spirit  soul  are   different
eternally.   It is only by the mercy of the Supreme Lord  that  the
individual  spirit soul can attain liberation.  The Supreme  Lord's
mercy  is then the means by which one attains liberation.  By  that
means, then, one attains the goal of life.  Many times I asked  the
nyaya-sastra.,  'What  is the true goal of life  and  how  may  the
spirit  soul attain it?', but the nyaya-sastra gave me no  answers.
I  was  always thwarted.  Please tell me your idea of what  is  the
goal of life and the way to attain it."
      Sri  Raghunatha dasa babaji was very wise.  For many days  he
had  lived  at Radha-kunda, where he took shelter of Sri Raghunatha
dasa  Gosvami's feet.  There he spent every afternoon listening  to
Lord Gaura's pastimes from Sri Raghunatha dasa Gosvami's own mouth.
Many  times  Sri Raghunatha dasa Babaji and Sri Krsnadasa  Kaviraja
would  discuss  the spiritual truth, and if any doubt  arose  among
them,  they  would  ask Sri Raghunatha dasa  Gosvami  to  give  the
answer.   At  that  time Sri Raghunatha dasa Babaji  was  the  most
prominent  of the pandita babajis.  Many times he and  Prema  dasa,
the paramahamsa babaji of Sri Godruma, would discuss the nature  of
pure  spiritual  love  for the Lord.  Happy  to  hear  Vrajanatha's
question,  he  replied, "O saintly Nyaya-pancanana,  a  person  who
after  studying  the nyaya-sastra is eager to understand  the  true
goal  of  life and the way to attain it is very fortunate  in  this
world.  Why should he not be considered fortunate?  Nyaya-sastra is
an  attempt  to  understand  what  is  the  most  important  thing.
Scholars  who  understand that grasp the truth of the nyaya-sastra.
However, they who study nyaya-sastra only to attain skill in debate
do  not  repeat the true fruit of nyaya.  Their labour is  all  for
nothing.   Their  lives  are wasted.  What  is  attained  when  one
follows the path that leads to the truth is called the true goal of
life.   The  method one adopts to attain that goal is  the  way  of
attaining  the  true  goal of life.  According to  their  different
qualifications, the individual souls trapped in the material  world
have  differing  conceptions of what is  the  true  goal  of  life.
Still,  the  true  goal  of  life is only  one.   It  is  not  two.
According  to  their  different qualifications,  the  spirit  souls
proclaim  three  different  goals of life.   They  are:  1.  bhukti
(material  sense gratification), 2. mukti (impersonal  liberation),
and  3.  bhakti (devotional service).  They who yearn for  material
pleasures  and  are  bound by ropes of material  karma  affix  that
bhukti  is  the true goal of life.  The scriptures are a  kamadhenu
cow  that  fulfils all desires.  Whatever one desires, there  is  a
description somewhere in the scriptures of how to attain  it.   For
they  who desire material pleasures, the scriptures give the karma-
kanda  section  of the Vedas.  The residents of the material  world
generally  yearn  for material pleasures, so the  scriptures  gives
certain  specific  instructions to them.  They  who  have  material
bodies  generally  think sense pleasures  are  the  best  and  most
important attainment.  The material world is, after all, the  abode
of material sense pleasures.  The material sense pleasures the soul
attains  from the time of birth until the time of death are  called
'pleasures  this world', and the material sense pleasures  one  may
attain after dying are called 'pleasures of the next world'.  There
are  many  different  kinds of pleasure  in  the  next  world.   In
Svargaloka  and  Indraloka there are the pleasures  of  seeing  the
apsaras'  dancing,  the  pleasure  of  drinking  heavenly   nectar,
smelling  the  flowers  and other scented objects  in  the  Nandana
gardens,  seeing  the beauty of Indrapuri and the Nandana  gardens,
hearing  the singing of the gandharvas and others, and living  with
the  Vidyadharis are all pleasures attainable in Svargaloka.  To  a
lesser degree these same kinds of material sense pleasure are  also
available  in Tapoloka and Maharloka.  In Bhuloka (the  earth)  the
material  sense  pleasures are gross.  As one goes  to  higher  and
higher  planets, the sense pleasures become more and  more  subtle.
In this way they are different.  Still, they are all material sense
pleasure.   It  is  not  that any of them are  not  material  sense
pleasures.   None of these planets are spiritual.  The subtle  body
of  mind,  intelligence and false ego is a perverted reflection  of
spirit.  In the higher planets the pleasures are pleasures  of  the
subtle  body.  All these different kinds of material pleasures  are
called  'bhukti'.  The conditioned souls trapped in the  circle  of
karma take shelter of karmic activities in order to attain material
sense  pleasures.  That is called their 'sadhana', the  means  they
adopt  to  attain what they see is the true goal of life.   In  the
Yajur Veda (2.5.5.) it is said:
      "One  who  desires  to attain Svargaloka should  perform  the
asvamedha-yajna."
      Thus  the  asvamedha-yajna, agnistoma-yajna,  visvadeva-bali,
istapurta, and darsa-paurnamasi are some of the ways the scriptures
give  for  the conditioned soul to attain material sense pleasures.
In  this  way the materialists say that material sense pleasure  is
the  true goal of life.  Then there are other persons who, tortured
by  the  flames of trouble that must accompany life in the material
world,  know  that the fourteen material worlds filled  with  sense
pleasures  are  all unimportant and unworthy places, and  therefore
yearn  to  escape  the circle of karmic reactions.   These  persons
think  that  liberation is the true goal of life.  They think  that
material  sense  pleasures are the ropes  that  bind  them  to  the
material  world.   Therefore they say, 'Let they whose  desire  for
material  pleasures has not been destroyed follow the karma-kanda's
prescription  for attaining sense pleasures.  Nevertheless  in  the
Bhagavad-gita  (9.21) it is said: ksine punye martya-lokam  visanti
(When  they have thus enjoyed heavenly sense pleasure, they  return
to  this  mortal planet again.  Thus, through the Vedic principles,
they achieve only flickering happiness*).  In this sloka it is seen
that material sense pleasure is not eternal.  At a certain point it
certainly wanes and perishes.  It must perish.  It is material.  It
is  not  spiritual.  One should therefore strive to attain a result
that  is eternal.  Liberation is eternal.  Therefore liberation  is
the true goal of life for all spirit souls.  The fourteen practices
that  begin with renunciation are the way to attain it.   Therefore
they are the way of attaining the true goal of life.  Therefore  to
understand the true goal, of life and the way to attain, one should
study  the  jnana-kanda portion of the Vedas'.  The scriptures  are
like  a  kamadhenu  cow  in  that  the  scriptures  give  different
attainments  to  different  living  entities  according  to   their
different  qualification.  Even if a spirit soul attains impersonal
liberation,  that liberation is not the final goal  of  life.   The
highest  stage of impersonal liberation is called 'nirvana',  where
the  individual  souls imagine that they cease to exist.   However,
the spirit souls exist eternally.  That is their nature.  Therefore
this   imaginary  'nirvana'  never  actually  occurs.    That   the
individual spirit souls are eternal is confirmed by these words  of
Svetasvatara Upanisad (6.13):
      'The  Supreme  Lord  is  eternal and the  living  beings  are
eternal.   The Supreme Lord is cognisant and the living beings  are
cognisant.'*
      In  this  way  the Vedic mantras affirm that  the  individual
spirit  soul  exists eternally.  It is not possible  for  something
that exists eternally to ever cease to exist.  They who affirm that
the individual spirit soul continues to exist even after liberation
also  affirm  that neither 'bhukti' (material sense pleasures)  nor
'mukti'  (liberation) are the final, highest goal of  life.   These
are  lesser  goals.  All activities are in relation to a particular
goal  and  a  method of attaining that goal.  The  goal  is  called
'sadhya',  and  the  means  by  which  one  attains  it  is  called
'sadhana'.   Think of it in this way: goals and ways  of  attaining
them  are  like  links in a chain.  What at first is  considered  a
goal,  later  becomes a means and something else is the  goal.   In
this  way goals and means are like links in a chain, with each goal
being  eventually  hanged into a means for attaining  a  new  goal.
Continuing in this way there is one final goal that does not become
the  means of attaining another goal.  That final goal is  'bhakti'
(devotional  service).  Therefore devotional service is  the  final
goal,  because  devotional service is the  eternal  nature  of  the
individual  spirit souls.  The activities of human beings  are  all
various  links  in  this chain of goals and means.   The  different
kinds  of  karmic  activities are different links  in  this  chain.
Following  them,  the different kinds of philosophical  speculation
(jnana)  are  also links in this chain.  After the links  that  are
philosophical  speculation, come to the link  'bhakti'  (devotional
service).   The  goal  of fruitive activities (karma)  is  material
sense  pleasure  (bhukti).   The goal of philosophical  speculation
(jnana)  is  impersonal liberation (mukti).  The goal of devotional
service  (bhakti)  is pure love of God (prema-bhakti).   The  final
conclusion, then, is that bhakti is the final means, and  the  goal
attained   by   bhakti  is  bhakti.   Fruitive  work  (karma)   and
philosophical  speculation (jnana) are then only  the  primary  and
intermediate links in the chain of means of goals.  They  are   not
the goal."
      Vrajanatha:  It  is  said  in the scriptures  (Brhad-aranyaka
Upanisad 4.5.25 and 2.4.24):
     "Who is the seer and who the seen?"
     It is also said (Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad 1.4.10):
     "I am Brahman."
     It is also said (Aitareya Upanisad 1.5.3):
     "Brahman is spiritual truth."
     It is also said (Chandogya Upanisad 6.8.70):
     "O Svetaketu, you are that."
     In these and many other passages of scripture it is not at all
seen that devotional service is the final goal.  Therefore, how can
it be wrong to say that impersonal liberation is the final goal?
      Babaji:  I  have  already said that the goals  are  different
according  to  the different desires of the living entities.   They
who  yearn  after material sense pleasures do not accept liberation
as  the  final  goal.   To  these  persons  the  scriptures  advise
(Apastamba Srauta-sutra 2.1.1):
     "They who perform the caturmasya-yajnas attain immortality."
      There  are also many other passages like this.  Baba, is  the
word  'mukti' (liberation) of any use at all?  The fruitive workers
(karmis) do not aspire for it.  They ask, "Why is the word  'mukti'
(liberation)  never mentioned in the mantras of  the  four  Vedas?"
One or two karmi philosophers claim that renunciation is only meant
for  the  incompetent, and they are competent should be engaged  in
fruitive  work  (karma).  These instructions  are  written  in  the
scriptures  so  that  persons  situated  in  the  lowest  level  of
spiritual qualification may be steady in their duties.  It  is  not
auspicious  for  the living entities to shirk the duties  that  fit
their  spiritual  qualification.  When a person is  steady  in  the
duties  for which he is qualified, he easily becomes qualified  for
the  next  level of duties.  Therefore the Vedas do  not  criticise
being  steady  in  one's duties.  Rather, one  who  criticises  the
performance of duties himself falls down.  The souls in this  world
who have become advanced in spiritual life have all reaped the good
results  of  being  steady in their duties.  The  impersonal  path,
where  one  employs  philosophical speculation  (jnana)  to  attain
liberation, is not revealed to persons qualified only for  fruitive
work (karma).  The impersonal path, where one employs philosophical
speculation  (jnana) to attain liberation, is not  praised  in  the
presence  of persons qualified only for fruitive work.   The  Vedic
mantras  praise  it  only in the presence of persons  qualified  to
follow the impersonal path.  As the impersonal path is superior  to
the  path  of fruitive work, so the path of devotional  service  is
superior to the impersonal path.  By speaking words like "tat  tvam
asi"  (You are that) and "aham brahmasi" (I am Brahman), the  Vedic
mantras  make  the impersonalist steady in his duty  of  acting  to
attain liberation.  The Vedas are not to be blamed for doing  that.
Still,  the  impersonal  liberation  described  there  is  not  the
ultimate stage.  The final conclusion of the Vedic mantras is  that
the  final  goal  is  love  of God and that  goal  is  attained  by
performing devotional service.
     Vrajanatha: Is it possible that great maha-vakyas of the Vedas
have describe only secondary goals and  means?
      Babaji: You may call some mantras maha-vakyas, but the  Vedas
themselves do not distinguish any particular mantras as better than
the others.  In order to claim that their doctrine is superior, the
impersonalist  teachers have labelled some mantras maha-vakya,  and
all  other  Vedic mantras are subordinate to it.  If one wishes  to
call  all the statements of the Vedas maha-vakyas, there is nothing
wrong  in  that.   However, if one wishes to label  one  particular
mantra the maha-vakya, and all the others ordinary vakyas, then one
commits  an  offense to the sacred Vedas.  In the  Vedas  there  is
praise  for fruitive work (karma), praise for impersonal liberation
(mukti),  and praise for many other goals and means also.   Still,,
one  must consider everything as a whole and determine what is  the
final  conclusion of all the Vedas.  The Vedas are like a cow,  and
the  milkman is Lord Krsna.  It is He who reveals the true  purpose
of all the Vedas.  He explains (Bhagavad-gita 6.46-47):
      "A  yogi  is  greater  than  the ascetic,  greater  than  the
empiricist  and  greater than the fruitive  worker.   Therefore,  O
Arjuna, in all circumstances be a yogi.*
      "And  of  all  yogis, he who always abides in Me  with  great
faith,  worshipping Me in transcendental loving  service,  is  most
intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all."*
     In the Svetasvatara Upanisad (6.23) it is also said:
      "Only unto those great souls who have implicit faith in  both
the  Lord  and  the spiritual master are all the imports  of  Vedic
knowledge automatically revealed."*
     In the Gopala-tapani Upanisad (1.14) it is said:
      "Devotional service to Lord Krsna is performed when the heart
no  longer desires any material benefit to be obtained in this life
or the next.  This is freedom from the bonds of karma."
     In the Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad (1.4.8) it is said:
     "One should worship the Supreme Lord, considering Him the most
dear."
     In the Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad (4.5.6) it is also said:
      "One should gaze on the Supreme Personality of Godhead,  hear
about Him, think of Him, and meditate upon Him."
     One who analyses these statements of the Vedas will easily see
that  devotional service is described in the Vedas as the means  to
attain the goal of life.
     Vrajanatha: In the karma-kanda section of the Vedas it is said
that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the ultimate awarder  of
the  fruits of karma.  In this way the karma-kanda enjoins  one  to
have  faith  in  devotional  service.   In  the  jnana-kanda  also,
pleasing  Lord  Hari  by  engaging in  His  devotional  service  is
described  as  one  of the four means of attaining  the  goal.   If
devotional  service  is thus one of the means  employed  to  attain
sense  gratification  and  impersonal  liberation,  then  how   can
devotional  service  be  the  final  goal  of  life?   When   sense
gratification or impersonal liberation are attained, then the means
employed  to  get them are thrown away.  That is what is  generally
taught.  Please give me some clear teaching on this point.
      Babaji:  In the karma-kanda portion of the Vedas it  is  said
that  one  should engage in devotional service in order  to  attain
sense gratification, and in the jnana-kanda portion of the Vedas it
is  said that to attain impersonal liberation one should engage  in
devotional  service.   That is true.  Without  first  pleasing  the
Supreme Personality of Godhead, no one can attain any result.   The
Supreme Personality of Godhead is the abode of all potencies.   The
individual  spirit souls and the material worlds are only  a  small
part  of the Lord's potencies.  The Supreme Lord is not pleased  by
fruitive work (karma) or impersonal speculations (jnana).  However,
when  karma and jnana take shelter of devotional service, they  can
give certain results.  Therefore it is said that in karma and jnana
the  reflection  of  devotional service is present.   However,  the
devotional  service seen in karma and jnana is not pure  devotional
service.   It  is  merely a reflection of true devotional  service,
present  there  to  give  certain  results.   This  reflection   of
devotional  service  is  of two kinds: 1. the  reflection  of  pure
devotional  service,  and  2. the reflection  of  mixed  devotional
service.  The reflection of pure devotional service I will describe
later.   The  reflection of mixed  devotional service is  of  three
kinds: 1. the reflection of devotional service mixed with karma, 2.
the  reflection of devotional service mixed with jnana, and 3.  the
reflection  of devotional service mixed with both karma and  jnana.
At  the  time of performing a yajna one may say, "O Indra, O Surya,
please be merciful and give me the result of this yajna."  This  is
an example of the reflection of devotional service mixed with karma
(karma-viddha-bhakty-abhasa).    Some   philosophers   call    this
reflected devotional service karma-misra bhakti (devotional service
mixed   with  karma),  and  others  call  it  aropa-siddha   bhakti
(artificial  devotional service).  Another example is seen  in  the
words, "O Krsna, pushed by fear of repeated birth and death, I  now
approach You.  Day after day I chant the Hare Krsna mantra.  Please
be merciful and give me impersonal liberation."  Another example is
the words, "O Supreme Lord, You are Brahman, and I have fallen into
the  abyss  of maya.  Please pick me up and make me one with  You."
These  two  statements are examples of the reflection of devotional
service  mixed  with jnana.  Some philosophers call  this  kind  of
reflected devotional service jnana-misra bhakti (devotional service
mixed   with  jnana),  and  others  call  it  aropa-siddha   bhakti
(artificial   devotional  service).   All  these   reflections   of
devotional service are different from pure devotional service.  The
devotional  service described by the Lord Himself in  Bhagavad-gita
6.47 (sraddhavan bhajate yo mam) is pure devotional service.  It is
that  kind  of  devotional service that we adopt as  the  means  to
attain  the goal of prema (pure love of God).  Karma and jnana  are
the  means to attain sense gratification and impersonal liberation.
They  are   not the means for the individual spirit soul to  regain
his eternal nature."
       After  hearing  all  this,  Vrajanatha  could  not  ask  any
questions.  He though, It will be good to make the argument for the
nyaya-sastra wait for a while as I think about this subtle  points.
The saintly babaji is especially learned about this topic.  In time
I will ask him questions and then I will learn what is the truth of
this.   Now  it is night.  I should return home."  Then  Vrajanatha
said aloud, "O saintly babaji, I have learned many truths from  you
today.   From  time  to  time I will return.   Please  continue  to
instruct  me.  You are a very great teacher, and I am dependent  on
your  mercy.  There is one thing I wish to know.  When I hear  your
reply  I will depart.  Did Lord Gauranga the son of Saci write  any
book of His teachings?  I would like to have such a book."
     Babaji: Sri Sri Mahaprabhu did not write any book Himself.  By
His  order  His followers wrote many books.  Mahaprabhu  personally
wrote eight verses, called Siksastaka, which are like a jewels  the
devotees  wear around their necks.  The teachings in them are  very
profound.  Studying these deep truths, the devotees have written  a
poem  called Dasa-mula (the Ten Roots).  In this poem the goal  and
the  means  are  briefly  described  in  terms  of  sambandha  (the
relationship  of  the  living entities and the Supreme),  abhidheya
(the activities of that relationship) and prayojana (the final goal
of life).  You should begin by understanding this poem.
      Vrajanatha replied, "As you order.  Tomorrow evening  I  will
return  and  learn this Dasa-mula from you.  You are my  siksa-guru
(instructing  spiritual  master).  I offer dandavat  obeisances  to
you."   The  saintly babaji politely embraced him and said,  "Baba,
You  purify  the  community  of brahmanas.   Please  come  tomorrow
evening.  That will please me very much."

Chapter Thirteen
Nitya-dharma   O   Sambandhabhidheya-prayojana  (Pramana-vicara   O
Prameya Arambha)
Eternal  Religion and Sambandha, Abhidheya and Prayojana  (Evidence
and Truth)
      The  next  evening Vrajanatha sat down under the bakula  tree
facing the courtyard of Srivasa's home.  The saintly elderly babaji
had  developed  a  kind of paternal love for  Vrajanatha.   He  was
waiting  for  Vrajanatha  to come.  When  Vrajanatha  arrived,  the
babaji  at once came out from the courtyard.  Embracing Vrajanatha,
he  took  him to his cottage (bhajana-kutira) in a grove of jasmine
vines to one side of Srivasa's courtyard.  Touching the dust of the
saintly  babaji's feet, Vrajanatha thought that his  life  had  now
become successful.  He humbly said, "O saintly babaji, please teach
me  the  Dasa-mula, which contains the essence of our Lord  Nimai's
teachings."
      His  heart  blossoming  with  happiness  to  hear  this  very
appropriate  question,  the  elderly babaji  said,  "Baba,  I  will
explain the Dasa-mula to you.  You are a pandita.  Please carefully
understand  the truths described in these verses.  The first  verse
is this:
      "The Vedas teach that Lord Hari is the Supreme Truth.  He has
all  potencies  and He is an ocean of the nectar of  transcendental
mellows.   The  individual spirit souls, which are  His  parts-and-
parcels, are divided into groups, some swallowed up by the material
energy, and others free from her clutches.  Everything that  exists
is  simultaneously  one and different from  Him.   Pure  devotional
service  is  the way to attain Lord Hari.  The goal of life  is  to
love  Him.   This Lord Gauracandra personally taught to the  living
entities."
      In the verses that begin here, Sriman Gauracandra teaches ten
truths  to  the faithful souls.  Of these the first verse describes
the  various  kinds  of  evidence, and the  remaining  nine  verses
describe  various truths learned from these evidences.   First  the
evidence  is  given, and then the truths that may be  learned  from
that  evidence.  Evidence is called 'pramana'.  The  verse  I  have
just  recited is an introductory verse that contains a  summary  of
the  "Dasa-mula".  The verse that follows it is the first verse  of
the Dasa-mula proper.  In verses two through eight the relationship
(sambandha) of the souls and the Lord is revealed.  In  verse  nine
the activities (abhidheya) of that relationship are described.   In
verse  ten  the  true  need of the living entities  (prayojana)  is
described.  The meaning of the introductory, summary verse is this:
The  word 'amnayah' means 'the statements of the Vedas as they  are
understood  through  the  disciplic succession."   The  Vedas,  the
Srimad  Bhagavatam and other Smrti-sastras that follow  the  Vedas,
and  the direct perception and other kinds of evidence that support
the  evidence  of scripture are all called 'pramana', or  evidence.
These evidences support the following definite conclusions: 1. Lord
Hari  is  the Supreme Truth, 2. He has all potencies, 3. He  is  an
ocean of the nectar of transcendental mellows, 4. the two liberated
and  conditioned souls are His parts-and-parcels, 5. some souls are
imprisoned  by  the  material energy,  and  others  free  from  her
clutches,  6.  the  entire material universe, which  contains  both
matter  and  spirit,  is  inconceivably,  simultaneously  one   and
different from Him, 7. devotional service is the way to attain Lord
Hari, and 8. the goal of life is to love Lord Krsna.
      After hearing this summary verse, Vrajanatha said, "O saintly
babaji,  now  is  not the time for me to ask any questions.   After
you  recite  the  first verse I will speak any questions  that  may
arise  in my heart.  Hearing this, the elderly babaji said,  "Good.
Good.  I will recite the first of these mula verses.  Please listen
carefully.
      "The  self-evident  Vedas, which by  Lord  Hari's  mercy  are
obtained  from the disciplic succession beginning with the  demigod
Brahma,  and  which are accompanied by other sources  of  evidence,
such  as direct perception, are the evidence for the following nine
truths.   Ordinary logic, called 'tarka', has no power to  enter  a
discussion of these truths."
      Vrajanatha:  Is  there any evidence i the Vedas  that  Brahma
taught disciples?
     Babaji: Yes.  There is.  In the Mundaka Upanisad (1.1.1) it is
said:
      "Brahma,  who  is  the  first demigod,  the  creator  of  the
universe,  the  protector of the worlds,  spoke  knowledge  of  the
Supreme,  the first of all kinds of knowledge, to his  eldest  son,
Artharva."
     There it is also said (Mundaka Upanisad 1.2.13):
     "Brahma taught him the science of the eternal Supreme Person."
      Vrajanatha:  Is there any evidence that when they  wrote  the
Smrti-sastras  the  sages gave the proper  interpretations  of  the
Vedas?
      Babaji: In Srimad Bhagavatam, which is the crest jewel of all
scriptures,  the  Supreme Personality of Godhead  Himself  explains
(11.14.3):
      "At  the time of cosmic annihilation, the Vedas became  lost.
At  the beginning of the next creation I again taught the Vedas  to
the demigod Brahma, for the principles of true religion are My very
heart.  Then Brahma repeated this knowledge to his first son  Manu.
Then  the  seven great sages, whose leader is Bhrgu,  learned  this
knowledge from Manu."
     Vrajanatha: Why is there a Vaisnava disciplic succession?
     Babaji: Misled by impersonalism, many people in the world have
left the true path.  If the devotees untainted by impersonalism  do
not  have  their  own disciplic succession, then it  will  be  very
difficult  to  associate with true devotees of the  Lord.   In  the
Padma Purana it is written:
      "Unless you are initiated by a bona-fide spiritual master  in
the  disciplic succession, the mantra that you might have  received
is  without  any effect.*  The four Vaisnava disciplic successions,
beginning  from Laksmi-devi, Brahma, Siva and Sanaka  Kumara,  have
purified the entire world."
      Of all of these, the disciplic succession from Lord Brahma is
the  oldest.   The  disciplic succession  begins  with  Brahma  and
extends even to the present day.  The Vedas, Vedangas, Vedanta, and
other  scriptures have been passed down unchanged from  an  ancient
time, carefully preserved by the disciplic succession.  Nothing has
been  changed  or  added to the scripture under  the  care  of  the
disciplic succession.  Therefore no one should doubt that the Vedas
and  other  scriptures that are accepted by the bona-fide disciplic
succession  are authentic.  There is a great need for  a  bona-fide
disciplic  succession.  Therefore from the earliest time the  great
saints have followed the bona-fide disciplic succession.
       Vrajanatha:  Are  there  complete  lists  of  the  disciplic
successions?
     Babaji: The lists contain the names of only the most important
acaryas.  It is their names that are included in the lists.
      Vrajanatha:  I  wish  to  hear the list  of  acaryas  in  the
disciplic succession from Brahman.
     Babaji: Here is the list:
      "Lord Brahma is the direct disciple of Visnu, the Lord of the
spiritual sky.  His disciple is Narada, Narada's disciple is Vyasa,
and   Vyasa's  disciples  are  Sukadeva  Gosvami  and  Madhvacarya.
Padmanabha  Acarya is the disciple of Madhvacarya, and Narahari  is
the  disciple  of  Padmanabha Acarya.  Madhava is the  disciple  of
Narahari,   Aksobhya  is  the  direct  disciple  of  Madhava,   and
Jayatirtha  is the disciple of Aksobhya.  Jayatirtha's disciple  is
Jnanasindhu,  and  his disciple is Mahanidhi.   Vidyanidhi  is  the
disciple  of Mahanidhi, and Rajendra is the disciple of Vidyanidhi.
Jayadharma  is  the  disciple  of  Rajendra.   Purusottama  is  the
disciple  of  Jayadharma.  Sriman Laksmipati  is  the  disciple  of
Vyasatirtha,  who is the disciple of Purusottama.  And  Madhavendra
Puri is the disciple of Laksmipati."*
      Vrajanatha: In this verse it is said that the Vedas  are  the
'only evidence', and direct perception along with the other sources
of  evidence, should be accepted only to help in understanding  the
Vedas.  However, nyaya, sankhya and the other philosophies are also
sources  of  evidence.  The Puranas, direct perception,  inference,
comparison,    the   Vedas,   the   Vedic   histories    (Itihasa).
Understanding    something    by   its    absence    (anupalabdhi),
circumstantial  evidence (arthapatti), and  probability  (sambhava)
are all considered different sources of evidence.  Why should it be
considered  that  some  kinds of evidence are  more  valuable  than
others.   If  direct  perception and inference are  not  considered
sources  of evidence, then what kind of knowledge will one be  able
to get?  Please explain this so that I may understand.
      Babaji: Direct perception and other sources of evidence  like
it  all depend on the material senses.  The material senses of  the
conditioned   soul  are  subject  to  four  defects:    1.   bhrama
(mistakes),  2. pramada (illusions), 3. vipralipsa (cheating),  and
4.  karanapatava (sensory inefficiency).  How can one  attain  true
knowledge with such faulty instruments?  The Supreme Personality of
Godhead  Himself  appeared in the hearts of the  great  saints  and
sages  as they were rapt in meditation on Him.  The Lord then  gave
them  the  perfect knowledge that is the Vedas.  Therefore  without
fear one can accept the Vedas as truth.
      Vrajanatha:  Please  explain these  four  defects:  mistakes,
illusions, cheating, and sensory inefficiency.
      Babaji:  When the imperfect material senses make mistakes  in
perceiving the world around it, that is called 'bhrama'.  Seeing  a
mirage  in  the  desert  is an example  of  such  a  mistake.   The
intelligence of the conditioned souls is limited.  Therefore,  when
such  a  limited  intelligence tries to  understand  the  unlimited
Supreme  Truth, the limited intelligence is bound to be  illusioned
in  many  ways.  That is called 'pramada'.  An example of  this  is
seen  when  the material intelligence, limited by time  and  space,
questions  how the Supreme Person could have created  the  material
world  of  time  and  space.   Doubt is called  'vipralipsa'.   The
material   senses  are  not  very  efficient  tools  for  acquiring
knowledge.  When they make mistakes again and again that is  called
'karanapatava'.
      Vrajanatha:  Do not sensory perception and other  sources  of
knowledge have any value at all?
     Babaji: Is there a way to understand the material world except
with  the  material  senses and other like  sources  of  knowledge?
Still,  all  these sources of knowledge are powerless to understand
the  spiritual  world.  For the spiritual world the Vedas  are  the
only  source  of  knowledge.  If sense perception and  these  other
sources of evidence confirm the truths revealed in the Vedas,  then
the  knowledge and other life sources of knowledge may be  accepted
only when they confirm the teachings of the self-perfect Vedas.
     Vrajanatha: Are the Bhagavad-gita, Srimad Bhagavatam and other
like scriptures not sources of true knowledge?
      Babaji:  The  Bhagavad-gita has come from the  mouth  of  the
Supreme Lord Himself.  It is also called the Gita Upanisad.  It  is
counted  as  one of the Vedas.  Because they are the  teachings  of
Lord  Gauranga,  the ten verses of Dasa-mula are also  one  of  the
Vedas.   The  Srimad  Bhagavatam is  an  anthology  of  the  truths
described  in the Vedas.  It is the crest jewel of all  sources  of
knowledge.  If they confirm the Vedas' teachings, the other  smrti-
sastras are also sources of true knowledge.  The tantra-sastra  are
of  three  kinds:  1. those in the mode of goodness,  2.  those  in
passion,  and  3. those in ignorance.  Among them, the  pancaratras
and  other  tantras in the mode of goodness expand the confidential
portions of the Vedas' teachings.  The word 'tantra' comes from the
verbal  root  'tan' (to expand). Therefore these tantras  are  also
counted among the sources of true knowledge.
      Vrajanatha: The Vedas consist of many different books.  Among
them which should be accepted and which not?  Please tell me.
      Babaji:   In  the  course  of time certain  unscrupulous  men
interpolated many new chapters, mandalas, and mantras in  the  text
of  the Vedas.  Therefore it is not that all the parts of the Vedas
should be accepted.  What in the course of time the acaryas in  the
bona  fide  disciplic  succession have  accepted,  that  should  be
considered   the   actual  Veda.   What  they  have   rejected   as
interpolations should not be accepted.
      Vrajanatha: What books of the Vedas have the acaryas  of  the
bona fide disciplic successions accepted?
      Babaji: The acaryas have accepted the twelve Upanisads  named
Isa,  Kena, Katha, Prasna, Mundaka, Mandukya, Taittiriya, Aitareya,
Chandogya, Brhad-aranyaka and Svetasvatara, as well as the  Gopala-
tapani  Upanisad, the Nrsimha-tapani Upanisad and other like tapani
Upanisads,  as well as the brahmanas, mandalas, and other  portions
of  the  Rg,  Yajur,  Sama, and Atharva Vedas.   The  acaryas  have
accepted all these books as sources of genuine knowledge.
      Vrajanatha:  You said that material logic  has  no  power  to
understand spiritual things.  What is the proof of that?
     Babaji: In the Katha Upanisad (1..2.9) it is said:
     "The spiritual truth cannot be understood by material logic."
     In the Vedanta-sutra (2.1.11) it is said:
      "Transcendental topics cannot be understood  by  argument  or
logic."*
      In  these and other statement of the Veda and Vedanta  it  is
seen  that material logic cannot be counted on as a source of  true
spiritual knowledge.  In the Mahabharata (Bhisma-parva 5.22) it  is
said:
       "Anything  transcendental  to  material  nature  is   called
inconceivable,  whereas arguments are all mundane.   Since  mundane
arguments  cannot touch transcendental subject matters, one  should
not  try  to  understand  transcendental  subject  matters  through
mundane arguments."*
      In  these  words of the Mahabharata, the limits  of  material
logic  are  seen.   The conclusion of devotional  service  is  also
explained  in  these words written by Srila Rupa  Gosvami  (Bhakti-
rasamrta-sindhu 1.1.32):
      "For persons who have a natural taste for understanding books
like  Bhagavad-gita and Srimad Bhagavatam.  Devotional  service  is
easier  than for those simply accustomed to mental speculation  and
argumentative processes."*
       Material   logic  cannot  bring  a  definitive,   conclusive
understanding.   This is described in the following words  (Bhakti-
rasamrta-sindhu 1.1.33):
      "A  person may become governed by certain convictions derived
by  his own arguments and decisions.  Then another person, who  may
be a greater logician, will nullify these conclusions and establish
another  thesis.  In this way the path of argument  will  never  be
safe or conclusive."*
      If  this  is so, then what is the use of material  logic  and
argument?
      Vrajanatha:  O saintly babaji, I accept that the self-perfect
Vedas  are  the best of all sources of knowledge.  If they  try  to
contradict  the Vedas, the logicians are merely speaking  in  vain.
Now please recite the second verse of the Dasa-mula.
     Babaji:
     "Lord Hari is the only Supreme Truth.  Brahma, Siva, and Indra
bow  down  before Him.  The impersonal Brahman, which is completely
untouched by matter, is the effulgence of His transcendental  form.
The all-pervading Supersoul is His expansion.  He is the father  of
the material universes.  He is the lover of Sri Radha.  His form is
splendid like a dark monsoon cloud.  He is completely spiritual."
     Vrajanatha: The Upanisads teach that the impersonal Brahman is
the highest truth and it is beyond the touch of matter.  Why, then,
does  Sriman  Gaura-Hari affirm that it is the effulgence  of  Lord
Hari's body?  Please explain that to me.
      Babaji:  Lord  Hari  is the Supreme Personality  of  Godhead,
Bhagavan.   The  word  'bhagavan'  means  "He  who  possesses   six
opulences".  In the Visnu Purana (6.5.47) it is written:
       "Full   wealth,  strength,  fame,  beauty,   knowledge   and
renunciation  -  these  are  the  six  opulences  of  the   Supreme
Personality of Godhead."*
      These  six  opulences are interrelated, like the limbs  of  a
body.   Which  of them is the body?  Which of them are  the  limbs?
The  body is the resting place of the limbs.  The tree is the body,
and  the  branches are the limbs.  The whole form is the body,  and
the  hands and feet are included among the limbs.  The body is  the
resting  place of the limbs.  Of the Supreme Lord's opulences,  His
handsomeness  is the body and the other opulences  are  the  limbs.
Wealth, strength, and fame are three limbs.  The effulgence of fame
consists  of knowledge and renunciation.  Therefore these  two  are
the  effulgence of one of the limbs.  They are the opulences of  an
opulence.  They are not direct opulences themselves.  Knowledge  of
changeless spirit and renunciation of matter are the parts  of  the
body  of  the  impersonal Brahman.  The impersonal Brahman  is  the
effulgence  emanating  from the spiritual worlds.   The  unchanging
inactive  formless,  qualityless Brahman  is  not  the  independent
highest  truth.   It  is  the form of the  Supreme  Personality  of
Godhead that is the independent highest truth.  The light of a fire
is not independent.  It is the fire itself that is independent, and
the light is merely one of the fire's qualities.
      Vrajanatha: In many places in the Vedas, after the impersonal
Brahman  was  described,  the text declared,  "Om  Santih.  Santih.
Harih.  Om."  In the way the Vedas affirm the superiority  of  Lord
Hari.  Who is Lord Hari?
     Babaji: Lord Hari is Radha and Krsna, who enjoy transcendental
pastimes.
      Vrajanatha: I will ask about this later.  Now please tell me:
What  kind  of  expansion  of the Supreme Lord  (bhagavan)  is  the
Supersoul (paramatma), the father of the material universes?
      Babaji:  Employing the two opulences of wealth and  strength,
the  Supreme  Lord  created  the material  world  of  maya.   After
creating the world, the Lord expanded Himself as Visnu and  entered
it.   When the Lord expands Himself, each expansion is perfect  and
complete.   This  is  described in the following  words  of  Brhad-
aranyaka Upanisad (5.1):
      "The  Supreme Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete,
and because He is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such
as  this  phenomenal  world,  are perfectly  equipped  as  complete
wholes.   Whatever  is  produced of  the  complete  whole  is  also
complete in itself.  Because He is the complete whole, even  though
so  many  complete units emanate from Him, He remains the  complete
balance."*
      Therefore  the Supersoul (paramatma), is Lord Visnu,  who  is
perfect  and complete, who has entered the material world, and  who
protects  the material world.  Lord Visnu thus manifests  in  three
forms,  as:  1.  Karanodakasayi  Visnu,  Ksirodakasayi  Visnu,  and
Garbhodakasayi Visnu.  The Karana Ocean, which is also known as the
Viraja  River,, lies on the boundary that separates  the  spiritual
and  material  worlds.   To  that place Lord  Maha-Visnu  goes  and
reclines  on  the  Karana Ocean.  Thus He is Karanodakasayi  Visnu.
Glancing at her from far away, the Lord employs Maya-devi to create
the material world.  The Lord Himself describes this in these words
of Bhagavad-gita (9.10):
      "The material nature is working under My direction, O son  of
Kunti, and it is producing all moving and unmoving beings."*
     In the Vedas it is said (Aitareya Upanisad 1.1.):
      "The Supreme Personality of Godhead glanced over the material
creation."*
     It is also said (Aitareya Upanisad 1.1):
      "The  Supreme  Personality  of Godhead  created  this  entire
material world."*
     The Supreme Lord, whose glance is so powerful, expands Himself
as  Garbhodakasayi  Visnu  and  enters  the  material  world.   The
particles of light that constitute Lord Maha-Visnu's glance are the
conditioned spirit souls.  Into the heart of each conditioned soul,
the Lord enters in a form the size of a thumb.  That form is called
Ksirodakasayi Visnu or Hiranyagarbha.  Thus the Supreme Personality
of Godhead and the individual spirit soul both reside in the heart.
This  is  described in the following words of Svetasvatara Upanisad
(4.6):
      "The  individual  spirit  soul  and  the  Supersoul,  Supreme
Personality of godhead, are like two friendly birds sitting on  the
same tree."*
      In  this  way  the  Sruti-sastra explains  that  the  Supreme
Personality of Godhead and the individual spirit soul are like  two
birds.   The bird that is the Supreme Personality of Godhead  gives
the  fruits  of  karma, and the bird that is the individual  spirit
soul  tries to enjoy the material world.  In Bhagavad-gita  (10.41-
42), the Supreme Lord declares:
      "Know  that  all  beautiful, glorious, and  mighty  creations
spring from but a spark of My splendour.*
      "But  what  need  is  there, Arjuna, for  all  this  detailed
knowledge?  With a single fragment of Myself I pervade and  support
this entire creation."*
      Therefore  the  Supersoul (paramatma), who  creates,  enters,
protects  and controls the material world, is an expansion  of  the
Supreme Personality of Godhead (bhagavan).
      Vrajanatha:  I  accept  that the impersonal  Brahman  is  the
effulgence  of the Supreme Personality of Godhead's body  and  that
the  Supersoul is His expansion.  Now please tell me:  What is  the
proof  that  Lord  Krsna  is  the  original  form  of  the  Supreme
Personality of Godhead?
      Babaji:  The Supreme Personality of Godhead has all  opulence
and  sweetness eternally.  When His opulence is manifested,  He  is
Lord Narayana, the master of the spiritual world and the origin  of
Lord  Maha-Visnu.  Thus when His pastimes of opulence are  manifest
He  is  Lord  Narayana,  and  when His pastimes  of  sweetness  are
manifest, He is Lord Krsna.  Lord Krsna possesses the highest limit
of  sweetness.  The effulgence of His sweetness is so great that it
eclipses   all   opulence  that  exist  anywhere.   Therefore   the
conclusion  is that Lord Narayana and Lord Krsna are not different.
However,   in  the  spiritual  world  the  greatest  sweetness   of
transcendental mellows is present in Lord Krsna.  He is the highest
resting place of all transcendental mellows.  This is explained  in
the following words of the Rg Veda (1.22.164.31):
      "I have seen a certain gopa dressed in colourful garments and
accompanied  by many beautiful girls as He wanders the pathways  in
the  spiritual  world.  That same gopa again and again  enters  the
material worlds and stays in the hearts of the living beings."
     In the Chandogya Upanisad (8.13.1) it is said:
      "To  attain Sri Radha I surrender to Lord Krsna.   To  attain
Lord Krsna I surrender to Sri Radha."
       These   verses  describe  the  liberated  souls  and   their
relationship with Lord Krsna.  In Srimad Bhagavatam (1.3.28) it  is
said:
      "All  of the above-mentioned incarnations are either  plenary
portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but  Lord
Sri Krsna is the original Personality of Godhead."*
     In the Bhagavad-gita (7.7) Lord Krsna Himself declares:
     "O conqueror of wealth (Arjuna), there is no truth superior to
Me."*
     In the Gopala-tapani Upanisad (1.20) it is said:
       "Lord   Krsna  is  the  worshipable,  all-pervading  supreme
controller, and although He is one, He manifests in many forms."
      Vrajanatha: Lord Krsna has an average-sized form.  How can He
be present everywhere?  If we accept that Lord Krsna has a form, we
must  also accept that His form can only stay in one place at time.
Now He must fall under the control of the material modes. No longer
can  He  be  supremely independent.  How call all these defects  be
removed from Lord Krsna?
      Babaji:  Baba,  you  are a conditioned soul  trapped  in  the
material world of maya.  That is why you have all these doubts.  As
long  as  it is bound by the ropes of maya, your intelligence  will
never  be able to touch the transcendental reality.  When it  tries
to  understand  the  pure spiritual reality, it  will  assume  that
spirit has qualities and forms just like those of matter.  When  it
does  this,  the intelligence becomes worried that it has  followed
the  wrong path.  Then the intelligence begins to imagine that  the
Supreme  Spirit  has no form and no qualities.   In  this  way  the
intelligence becomes cheated and cannot understand the truth  about
the  Supreme  Spirit.  In truth the defects you think might  affect
the  ordinary sized form of Lord Krsna do not have any  bearing  on
His  true  spiritual  form.  The idea that the  Supreme  Spirit  is
"formless",  "unchanging", and "inactive"  are  ideas  obtained  by
looking  for  the exact opposites of what appears in  the  material
world.   These are also qualities of a certain kind.  Qualities  of
another  kind  are Lord Krsna's handsome form, His face  blossoming
with  happiness,  His  lotus  eyes,  His  lotus  feet,  which  give
peacefulness  to the devotees, and all His graceful  limbs  perfect
for enjoying transcendental pastimes.  This pure spiritual  form of
Lord  Krsna  is one feature of the Lord.  When these two  features,
the  personal and impersonal, are considered, it is seen  that  the
average-sized form of Lord Krsna is the most handsome and pleasing.
This is described in the following words of Sri Narada-pancaratra:
      "Lord Krsna is supremely independent.  His form and qualities
are  free  of any possible flaw.  His body is not like  the  bodies
made  of  matter.  His hands, feet, face, belly, and all the  other
parts  of His body are all made of transcendental bliss and nothing
else.   Lord  Krsna is not different from His body.   He  does  not
reside in a material body from Himself, as the conditioned souls in
the material world do.  He and His body are one."
      Lord Krsna's form is eternal and full of knowledge and bliss.
His  qualities are not material.  Nothing about Him is material  in
even the slightest degree.  He is not limited by material time  and
space.  His form is fully present in every place for all time.   He
is  one.   His  form has all knowledge.  The material world  is  so
large  it  cannot  be  measured by the conditioned  souls.   It  is
natural  that  a  form  of  average size  could  never  be  present
everywhere in the material world.  However, in the spiritual  world
all  qualities  have limitless power.  Therefore the  average-sized
form of Lord Krsna can be present everywhere.  That is actually one
of  its  natural qualities.  In the material world an average-sized
form  cannot  be  all-pervading.  However, the  supremely  handsome
spiritual  form  of  Lord  Krsna is certainly  all-pervading.   The
extraordinary  qualities of that form are very different  from  the
qualities of material forms.  That spiritual form is very glorious.
Can  anyone be more glorious than the all-pervading Supreme Spirit?
In  the  material  world everything is limited by time  and  space.
What  is  the glory of a form that is free from the limits of  time
and present everywhere?  Lord Krsna's transcendental abode of Vraja
is  described  in the Chandogya Upanisad, which calls  it  "Brahma-
pura".   That  abode is perfectly spiritual.  It has all  spiritual
wonders.   Its  activities  are  all  spiritual.   Its  places  are
spiritual.  Its land and water are spiritual.  Its rivers and trees
are spiri