Contents

Bhaktivinoda Thakura

Sri Jaiva-dharma

Volume Four


Table of Contents
Chapter Eighteen - Nitya-dharma O Sambandhabhidheya Prayojana (prameyantar-gata
Bhedabheda-vicara)
Eternal Religion and Sambandha, Abhidheya and Prayojana (Simultaneous Oneness and
Difference

Chapter Nineteen - Nitya-dharma O Sambandhabhidheya-prayojana (Prameyantar-gata
Abhidheya-vicara)
Eternal Religion and Sambandha, Abhidheya, and Prayojana (Abhidheya)                                            Page 13

Chapter Twenty - Nitya-dharma O Sambandhabhidheya-prayojana (Prameyantar-gata
Abhidheya-vicara Vaidha-sadhana-bhakti)
Eternal Religion and Sambandha, Abhidheya and Prayojana
(Abhidheya: Vaidha-sadhana-bhakti)

Chapter Twenty-one - Nitya-dharma O Sambandhabhidheya-prayojana (Prameyantar-gata
Abhidheya-vicara Raganuga-sadhana-bhakti)
Eternal Religion and Sambandha, Abhidheya and Prayojana
(Abhidheya: Raganuga-sadhana-bhakti)

Chapter Twenty-two - Nitya-dharma O Sambandhabhidheya-prayojana (Prameyantar-gata
Prayojana-vicararambha)
Eternal Religion and Sambandha, Abhidheya and Prayojana
(The Discussion of Prayojana begins)

Chapter Twenty-three
Nitya-dharma O Sambandhabhidheya-prayojana (Prameyantar-gata
Nama-tattva-vicararambha)
Eternal Religion and Sambandha, Abhidheya and Prayojana
(The Discussion of the Holy Name Begins)

Chapter Eighteen
Nitya-dharma   O   Sambandhabhidheya  Prayojana   (Prameyantar-gata
Bhedabheda-vicara)
Eternal   Religion   and   Sambandha,   Abhidheya   and   Prayojana
(Simultaneous Onenesss and Difference

      Vani-Madhava was a vicious person.  Reproached by Vrajanatha,
in his mind he plotted how to harm both Vrajanatha and the babajis.
He  met  with  some thugs and together they decided  that  when  he
returned from Srivasa's courtyard, Vrajanatha would be attacked  at
a  secluded  place  near  Laksmana-tila.   Hearing  of  this  plot,
Vrajanatha decided to visit the saintly elderly babaji only  during
the  daytime.   Also, he would not visit Srivasa's courtyard  every
day,  and  when  he  did  it  would be  only  in  the  daytime  and
accompanied  by  a bodyguard.  Vrajanatha had some tenants.   Among
them  was an expert fighter named Harisa Doma.  Vrajanatha said  to
Harisa, "Today a great calamity has fallen upon me.  If you help, I
may  be  protected  from  it."  Harisa replied,  "Sir,  I  will  do
whatever  you  ask.   Give the word, and I will kill  your  enemy."
Vrajanatha  said, "Vani-Madhava wants to harm me.  I am  no  longer
able  to  visit the Vaisnavas in Srivasa's courtyard.  Vani-Madhava
plans  to have me attacked on the road."  Harisa replied, "Sir  how
can he attack you when Harisa is there?  Know that this bamboo club
will  fall on Vani-Madhava Thakura's head.  Sir, take me  with  you
whenever you go to Srivasa's courtyard.  Who can harm you?   I  can
defeat a hundred fighters."
      Accompanied by Harisa Doma, Vrajanatha would visit  Srivasa's
courtyard only once every two or four days.  He could not stay  for
long.   He  could not hear discussions of the spiritual truth.   In
his  heart  he became sad.  Ten or twenty days passed in this  way,
and then Vani-Madhava died of snakebite.  Hearing the news of Vani-
Madhava's death, the Vaisnava Vrajanatha thought, "Is this fate  of
a  person  who  hates Vaisnavas?"  In his mind he remembered  these
words of Srimad Bhagavatam (10.1.38):
      "One  may die today or after hundreds of years, but death  is
sure for every living entity."*
      He  thought, "No one lives forever.  Everyone must die.  What
obstacle now stops me from going to Srivasa's courtyard every day?"
That  evening at sunset Vrajanatha went to Srivasa's courtyard  and
offered dandavat obeisances to the saintly babaji.  He said,  "from
today  on  I  will visit your feet every day.  The  obstacle  Vani-
Madhava  has  left this world."  The very merciful  babaji  was  at
first  silent  and thoughtful, unhappy to hear that a person  whose
spiritual  intelligence was not awakened had died.  Then  he  said,
"It is said (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Antya 2.163):
      "A  person  is  sure to achieve the results of  his  fruitive
activities."*
      "The soul must go where Lord Krsna sends him.  Baba, are  you
unhappy at heart?"
      Vrajanatha: The only unhappiness in my heart is that for some
days  I  have  not  heard the nectar of your teachings.   That  has
troubled my heart.  I wish to hear the remaining teachings  of  the
Dasa-mula.
     Babaji:  I am always ready to teach you.  Just tell me how far
you have heard and what questions have risen in your mind.
      Vrajanatha: What is the name of the pure philosophy  Sri  Sri
Gaura-kisora taught to the world?  Advaita-vada, Suddhadvaita-vada,
Visistadvaita-vada,  and  Dvaita-vada  are   the   names   of   the
philosophies  taught by the previous acaryas.  Did Sri Gaurangadeva
accept  one  of  these philosophies, or did He  teach  a  different
philosophy?   In  describing the sampradayas,  you  said  that  Sri
Gauranga is in the Brahma-sampradaya.  Did He teach the Dvaita-vada
of Sri Madhvacarya, or did He teach something else?
      Babaji:  Baba, please listen to the eight verse of the  Dasa-
mula:
     "The entire spiritual and material creation is manifested from
the potency of Lord Hari.  The impersonalist idea is an impurity of
the  Kali-yuga  and  it is refuted by the Vedas.   The  pure  truth
taught  by  the  Vedas  is  the  philosophy  of  acintya-bhedabheda
(simultaneous oneness and difference).  By understanding this truth
one  eventually  attains the perfection of  love  for  the  Supreme
Eternal."
      The  conclusions taught in the Upanisads are called "Vedanta"
(the  conclusion  of the Vedas).  Srila Vyasadeva summarised  these
conclusions  in a book of four chapters, a book called the  Brahma-
sutra  or  Vedanta sutra.  The truly learned people of  this  world
respectfully  accept  the  authority of  this  book.   The  general
conclusion  is that the Vedanta-sutra gives a proper exposition  of
the  truths taught in the Vedas.  The different acaryas  have  each
explained Vedanta-sutra in a way to support their conclusions.  Sri
Sankaracarya  used the Vedanta-sutra to support his  philosophy  of
impersonalism  (vivarta-vada).  He  said  that  the  philosophy  of
parinama-vada  is not correct, for it must lead to  the  conclusion
that  Brahman  is  not the highest.  He taught a philosophy  called
vivarta-vada,  which  is  also called mayavada.   To  support  this
philosophy  of vivarta-vada, he collected quotations from  all  the
Vedas.   It  seems that the philosophy of parinama-vada  must  have
been  popular  before his time.  By establishing his  vivarta-vada,
Sri  Sankara suppressed the parinama-vada.  Still, the vivarta-vada
is  only one of many theories.  Displeased with it, Sri Madhvacarya
created  the theory of dvaita-vada.  He collected quotes  from  all
the  Vedas to support his theory of dvaita-vada.  In the  same  way
Srimad   Ramanujacarya   established  the  Vasistadvaita-vada   and
collected  quotations from the Vedas to support it.   Sri  Nimbarka
Acarya established his philosophy of dvaitadvaita-vada and he  also
collected  many  quotes from the Vedas to support  it.   Sri  Visnu
Svami  preached the philosophy of suddhadvaita-vada, which he based
on  the  Vedanta-sutra and the texts of the  Vedas.   The  mayavada
philosophy preached by Sri Sankaracarya is opposed to the truths of
devotional  service.   Each  with  his  own  philosophy,  the  four
Vaisnava  acaryas  taught that devotional service  is  the  highest
conclusion.   Sriman  Mahaprabhu based His philosophy  on  all  the
statements  of  the  Vedas.   His philosophy  is  called  'acintya-
bhedabheda" (simultaneous oneness and difference).  This philosophy
accepts the basic framework of Madhvacarya's teachings.
     Vrajanatha: What is the parinama-vada?
     Babaji:  There are two kinds of parinama-vada: brahma-parinama-
vada  and  sakti-parinama-vada.  The  brahma-parinama-vada  teaches
that Brahman becomes transformed into the individual souls and  the
material  world.  Thus they say that only Brahman  exists,  and  to
support their idea they quote these words of the Chandogya Upanisad
(6.2.1):
     "Brahman is one without a second."
      This  theory  may  be called 'advaita-vada'  (impersonalism).
Look.   In this context 'vivarta' and 'parinama' are synonyms.   On
the other hand, the philosophy of sakti-parinama-vada declares that
Brahman  Himself never becomes transformed.  Rather it is Brahman's
inconceivable  potency  that becomes transformed.   The  jiva-sakti
becomes transformed into the individual spirit souls and the  maya-
sakti becomes transformed into the material world.  If this version
of  parinama-vada is accepted, Brahman does not become transformed.
The act of transformation is defined in these words:
      "Transformation is when something appears to be  what  it  is
not."
      What  is  transformation?  Transformation is  when  something
appears  to be different that what is it.  Milk becomes transformed
into yoghurt.  It is still milk in essence.  It only appears to  be
something else.  That is transformation.  According to the  brahma-
parinama-vada,  the individual spirit souls and the material  world
are both transformations of Brahman.  This idea is not correct.  Of
this  there  is no doubt.  The impersonal Brahman has no qualities.
Therefore  it has nothing that could be transformed into  something
else.    Therefore  it  cannot  be  said  to  be  the   origin   of
transformations.  Therefore the brahma-parinama-vada theory is  not
good.   On  the other hand, the sakti-parinama-vada does  not  have
these  defects.  According to sakti-parinama-vada, Brahman  is  not
transformed.   Rather it is Brahman's potency,  which  can  do  any
impossible  thing,  that is transformed into the atomic  individual
souls and into the perverted reflection that is the material world.
When   Brahman  desires,  "Let  the  individual  souls  come   into
existence", numberless souls are manifested from His potency.  When
Brahman  desires,  "Let  the material world come  into  existence",
material  universes without limit are manifested from His  potency.
These  things are not transformations of Brahman.  If someone says,
"If  Brahman has a desire, then Brahman is transformed.  The desire
itself is a transformation of the original desireless Brahman.  How
is it possible that Brahman can be transformed in this way?" then I
reply,  "You are assuming that Brahman's desire is like the desires
possessed  by  the individual spirit souls.  That is  why  you  say
Brahman's desire is evidence that Brahman becomes transformed.  The
individual  spirit  soul is very small, and  therefore  his  desire
naturally  touches Brahman's other potencies.  For this reason  the
soul's  desires  are actually transformations.  However,  Brahman's
desires are completely independent.  They are part of His intrinsic
nature  and are not subjected to outside influences.  They  are  at
once  the  same  as  and  different from His potencies.   Therefore
Brahman's  desires are part of His original nature.   They  do  not
involve any transformations.  Ordered by His desires, His potencies
act.   His  potencies then become transformed.  The living entity's
small intelligence does not have the power to discover these subtle
truths  unaided.   These  truths are  known  only  by  hearing  the
testimony  of  the Vedas.  Now we may consider the  nature  of  the
transformation  of  the  potency.   The  example  of   milk   being
transformed  into  yoghurt  is not the only  example  to  show  the
transformation of potency.  Although material analogies cannot give
one  a complete understanding of spiritual realities, they can help
one  understand certain aspects of it.  Even though it is  material
in  nature, a cintamani jewel is said to produce many other  jewels
within  itself  being  changed in any way.  The  Spiritual  Supreme
Personality  of  Godhead creates in a way like that.   The  Supreme
Personality   of   Godhead  remains  completely   unchanged   after
creating,  by  His  desire and with the aid  of  His  inconceivable
potency,  the  numberless individual souls and numberless  material
universes   consisting   of  fourteen  planetary   systems.    This
explanation that the Supreme is "untransformed" does not mean  that
the Supreme exists only as the qualityless impersonal Brahman.  The
word  'brahman'  means the greatest (brhat).   Therefore  the  word
"brahman"  directly  refers to the eternal Supreme  Personality  of
Godhead,  who is the master of six opulences.  If we only say  that
He is 'untransformed' and do not say anything else about Him, we do
not accept His cit-sakti (spiritual potency).  The truth is that by
the  power  of His inconceivable potency, He is simultaneously  the
qualityless Brahman, and the Supreme Person who possesses a host of
spiritual   qualities.   Therefore  to  say   only   that   He   is
'untransformed'  means to understand only half of His  nature,  and
thus  not  understand  Him  in  full.   The  Vedas  have  used  the
instrumental  (by),  ablative (from), and locative  (in)  cases  to
describe  His  relationship  with  the  material  world.   In   the
Taittiriya Upanisad (3.1.1) it is said:
      "Please  know that Brahman is He from whom all living  beings
are  born,  by  whose power they remain alive, and into  whom  they
enter at the end."
      When  it  is said that the living beings are manifested  from
Brahman,  the  ablative case is used.  When it  is  said  that  the
living  beings  live by Brahman's power, the instrumental  case  is
used.   When it is said that the living beings enter into  Brahman,
the locative case is used.  In this way it is said that the Supreme
has qualities.  This shows that He is the Supreme Person, for it is
a  person  that  has qualities.  Srila Jiva Gosvami  describes  the
Supreme Person in these words:
      "The  Absolute  Truth  is one.  Still, by  His  inconceivable
potency  He  is  manifested in four ways: 1. svarupa (His  original
form),  2.  tad-rupa-vaibhava  (His  incarnations),  3.  jiva  (the
individual  spirit  souls), and 4. pradhana (the material  energy).
These four features are like: 1. the interior of the sun planet, 2.
the  sun's surface, 3. the sunlight, and 4. the reflection  of  the
sun."
      This  example of course, explains only a small  part  of  the
Lord's  nature.   His  svarupa  (original  form)  is  His  form  of
eternity,    knowledge    and    bliss.     His    svarupa-vaibhava
(manifestations  of  His  form)  are  His  spiritual  abode,  name,
associates and paraphernalia.  The jiva-sakti is the abode  of  the
numberless  eternally liberated and conditioned  individual  souls,
who  are  tiny  particles of spirit.  The pradhana is the  material
world  of  subtle  and  gross material  elements.   As  these  four
features are eternal, so the oneness of the Absolute Truth is  also
eternal.   Someone may ask: "How is it possible that  the  Lord  is
eternally manifest in these four ways, but still is eternally  one?
Is   it  not  a  contradiction  that  He  is  both  one  and   many
simultaneously?"  To this the answer is given: The intelligence  of
the  individual living entities will certainly declare that  it  is
impossible.   But why should it not be possible?  The  intelligence
of  the individual living entity is very small and limited, and, on
the  other  hand, the powers of the Supreme Personality of  Godhead
are  beyond human conception.  Therefore, for the Lord  it  is  not
impossible.
     Vrajanatha: How do you define 'vivarta-vada"?
      Babaji:  In  the Vedas there is description of transformation
(vivarta), but that description is not at all like what has  become
known  as the 'vivarta-vada'.  Sri Sankaracarya has used the  words
'vivarta' and 'vivarta-vada' to mean 'maya-vada' (the philosophy of
impersonalism).  The true meaning of the word 'vivarta' is given in
these words:
     "The word 'vivarta' means 'misunderstanding the true nature of
a certain thing'."
      The individual is a tiny particle of spirit.  But when he  is
imprisoned  in  the  gross  and subtle material  body,  he  becomes
bewildered and thinks, "I am this gross and subtle material  body."
Thus  he  misunderstands his true identity.  "Misunderstanding"  is
the  only definition of 'vivarta' given in the Vedas.  Someone  may
think,   "I   am  Raghunatha  Bhattacarya,  the  son  of   Sanatana
Bhattacarya", and someone else may think, "I am Sadhu Candala,  the
son  of  Vise  Candala".   In  this way  the  intelligence  becomes
bewildered.   Both  of  those persons are  individual  souls,  tiny
particles of spirit.  They are not Raghunatha Bhattacarya and Sadhu
Candala.   Still,  they  are bewildered and  they  think  they  are
identical with the material body.  To mistake a rope for a snake or
the  glistening  on  a  seashell's surface  for  silver  are  other
examples  of  misunderstandings (vivartas).  By all these  examples
the Vedas teach that one should throw far away the idea that he  is
identical  with the material body.  The mayavadis (impersonalists),
however, reject this proper use of the word 'vivarta' and  teach  a
funny theory they called 'vivarta-vada'.  They say that the idea "I
am  the  Supreme"  is  the  true idea, and  the  misconception,  or
vivarta,  is  the  idea  "I  am  an individual  spirit  soul".   By
accepting this kind of ''vivarta-vada" one will not understand what
is  the  actual  truth.   The true vivarta-vada  does  not  at  all
contradict  the  sakti-parinama-vada.   On  the  other  hand,   the
mayavadis  (impersonalists') vivarta-vada  is  only  an  object  of
laughter.   The mayavadis' vivarta-vada is of three kinds:  1.  the
soul is really Brahman but he becomes bewildered into thinking that
he is an individual soul, 2. the idea that the individual souls are
reflections  of Brahman, and 3. the idea that Brahman takes  a  nap
and  dreams that He has become the many individual souls.  None  of
these are the true vivarta-vada.  The evidence of the Vedas refutes
them all.
     Vrajanatha: What is this mayavada philosophy?  My intelligence
does not understand it.
     Babaji: Try to understand it soberly and carefully.  The maya-
sakti  is  a  perverted  reflection of the svarupa-sakti  (internal
potency).   The maya-sakti cannot enter the spiritual  world.   The
maya-sakti is the controller of the material world.  Because he  is
bewildered  by  ignorance,  the soul  enters  the  material  world.
Spiritual  things  are  real and do have an  independent,  separate
existence.   However,  the  mayavada theory  does  not  accept  the
reality of spiritual things.  The mayavada theory declares that the
individual  soul  is  actually Brahman,  and  it  is  only  by  the
influence of maya that he thinks he is different from Brahman.  The
mayavada  theory  declares  that as long  as  he  is  under  maya's
influence,  the soul thinks he is an individual soul, but  when  he
becomes  free  of  maya's influence, the soul  learns  that  he  is
actually  Brahman.  The mayavada theory declares that  when  maya's
influence ceases, the individual spirit soul also ceases to  exist.
In  this  way liberation is thought to mean nirvana, or  the  souls
merging  into  the existence of Brahman.  In this way the  mayavada
theory  does  not accept the existence of a pure individual  spirit
soul, free from maya's clutches.  The mayavada theory also declares
that  when  he incarnates in the material world, Brahman must  take
shelter  of  maya and accept a body made of matter.   Brahman  thus
does  not  have  a spiritual form and must accept a  form  made  of
matter.  Thus Brahman accepts the different material forms  of  His
incarnations, descends to the material world, performs  very  great
deeds,  leaves  His material form behind, and returns  to  His  own
abode.   The  mayavadis' offer one kindness to  the  Supreme  Lord.
They say that individual souls and the incarnations of Brahman have
one  difference.  They say that the individual souls are  dependent
on  their  past  karma,  are pushed into the  gross  material  body
against  their  will, and carried along by the  strong  current  of
their past karma, are forced to suffer old-age, death and re-birth.
On  the  other  hand,  the Supreme Lord accepts  a  material  body,
material  identity,  material name, material qualities,  and  other
material  things voluntarily, by His own will, and by His own  will
at  a  certain time He abandons those material things  and  becomes
again  manifest  as  pure  spiritual  consciousness.   Although  He
performs  activities, the Lord is not forced to accept  the  karmic
results  of  those actions.  All these are the mistaken conclusions
of the mayavadis.
      Vrajanatha:  Do the Vedas give any evidence  to  support  the
mayavada philosophy?
      Babaji:  No.   In  no place do the Vedas teach  the  mayavada
philosophy.   Actually, the mayavada philosophy is  identical  with
Buddhism.  In the Padma Purana Lord Siva tells Parvati:
      "The mayavada philosophy is impious.  It is covered Buddhism.
My  dear  Parvati, in the form of a brahmana in Kali-yuga  I  teach
this imagined mayavada philosophy."*
      Vrajanatha: O master, why did Lord Siva, who is the  best  of
Vaisnavas and the leader of the demigods, do such a wicked deed?
     Babaji: Lord Siva is a guna-avatara of the Supreme Personality
of Godhead.  At one time the demons had taken to following the path
of  devotion  in  order to fulfil their own sinful  lusty  desires.
Seeing  this the merciful Supreme Personality of Godhead, concerned
for  the benefit of the true, sincere devotees decided to deter the
demons from following the path of devotion.  With this in mind,  He
called  for Lord Siva and told him, O Siva, that the demons in  the
mode  of  ignorance are now preaching the path of  pure  devotional
service is not good for the world.  Please write a book to bewilder
the  demons.   Conceal the truth about Me and preach the  mayavada,
impersonal philosophy.  The demons will then leave the path of pure
devotional service and take shelter of impersonalism.  That will be
very  pleasing to My genuine pure devotees.  Of this  there  is  no
doubt.   The great Vaisnava Siva unhappily accepted this  order  of
the  Supreme Lord.  However, he placed the Lord order on  his  head
and obediently preached the mayavada philosophy.  How can there  be
any  fault, then, for Lord Siva, the spiritual master of the entire
world?
      Vrajanatha:  For the good of all the conditioned  souls,  the
Supreme  Personality  of Godhead turns the wheel  of  the  material
world of birth and death.  The Sudarsana-cakra He holds in His hand
brings only good.  His order brings only good.  The servant's  duty
is  to  carry out his master's order.  Therefore the pure Vaisnavas
do not blame Lord Siva for descending as Sankaracarya and preaching
the  mayavada philosophy.  Now I will recite the scripture evidence
for all this.  Please listen.  In the Padma Purana the Supreme Lord
tells Siva:
      "O  Siva,  because  you worship Me, I  will  always  give  My
blessings  to you.  In Kali-yuga, mislead the people in general  by
propounding imaginary meanings of the Vedas to bewilder  them.   In
this way conceal Me and make people turn away from Me."
     In the Varaha Purana the Supreme Lord tells Siva:
     "O mighty-armed Siva, please write books filled with lies, and
thus bewilder the people.
     "O might-armed one, please preach a collection of lies.  Place
yourself in the forefront, and conceal Me."
     Babaji: Do any Vedic passages refute the mayavada theory?
       Vrajanatha:  All  the  Vedas  refute  the  mayavada  theory.
Searching  through  all the Vedas, the mayavadis  have  found  four
statements  to buttress their argument, and these they  call  maha-
vakyas  (the great statements of the Vedas).  These four statements
are (Chandogya Upanisad 3.14.1):
     "Everything is Brahman."
     Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad 4.4.19 and Katha Upanisad 2.1.11:
     "Nothing is different from Brahman."
     Aitareya Upanisad 1.5.3:
     "Brahman is consciousness."
     Chandogya Upanisad 6.8.7:
     "O Svetaketu, you are that."
     Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad 1.4.10:
     "I am Brahman".
      What  does the first of these maha-vakyas teach?  It  teaches
that  the  material world and the individual souls are all Brahman,
that  there is nothing but Brahman.  What is the nature of Brahman?
That  is  explained  in  another  place  in  the  Vedas.   In   the
Svetasvatara Upanisad (6.8) it is said:
      "The Supreme Lord has nothing to do.  Nothing is equal to Him
or  greater  than Him.  He acts in different phases by  manifesting
His  parts  and  parcels  which are all simultaneously  differently
situated by His unlimited, variegated potencies.  Each potency acts
quite  naturally in sequences, providing Him full knowledge,  power
and pastimes."*
      In these words Brahman and Brahman's potency are accepted  as
one.  Here it is said that the potency is the property (svabhaviki)
of  Brahman, and it is also said that the potency is manifested  in
many different ways (vividha).   Because the potency and the master
who  possesses the potency are not different, it may  certainly  be
said that nothing is different from Brahman.  However, when we look
at  the  material  world, we can also see  that  in  another  sense
Brahman  and  His potency are certainly different.   In  the  Vedas
(Katha Upanisad 2.13 and Svetasvatara Upanisad 6.10) it is said:
      "The  Supreme  Lord  is  eternal and the  living  beings  are
eternal.   The Supreme Lord is cognisant and the living beings  are
cognisant.   The difference is that the Supreme Lord  is  supplying
the necessities of life for the many other living entities."*
      In these words of the Vedas variety is accepted as an eternal
fact.   In  the other passages of the Vedas (Svetasvatara  Upanisad
6.8) the Lord's potency and His knowledge, power, and pastimes  are
also considered, in one sense, to be different from Him.
     Now let us consider these words of Aitareya Upanisad (1.5.3):
     "Brahman is consciousness."
      Here is it said that Brahman is identical with consciousness.
The  nature of consciousness is described in these words of  Brhad-
aranyaka Upanisad (4.4.21):
      "A  wise  man who understands the Supreme falls in love  with
Him."
      Here  the word 'prajna' does not mean merely 'consciousness'.
Here it means 'love and devotion'.
     Now let us consider these words of Chandogya Upanisad (6.8.7):
     "O Svetaketu, you are that."
      These  words supposedly teach that the Supreme Lord  and  the
individual   spirit  soul  are  identical.   However,  the   proper
explanation of these words is found in this passage from the Brhad-
aranyaka Upanisad (3.8.10):
      "He  is a miserly man who does not solve the problems of life
as  a  human and who thus quits this world like the cats and  dogs,
without understanding the science of self-realisation."*
      The words 'tat tvam asi' therefore actually mean "He who  has
attained devotion to the Lord is a true brahmana."
      Now  let  us consider these words of Brhad-aranyaka  Upanisad
(1.4.10):
     "I am Brahman".
      Some thinkers say that the knowledge described in these words
does  not  culminate in devotional service as its final attainment.
This idea is criticised by these words of Isa Upanisad (mantra 9):
      "Those who engage in the culture of nescient activities shall
enter  into the darkest region of ignorance.  Worse still are those
engaged in the culture of so-called knowledge."*
     These words mean that persons who are ignorant and do not know
that  they  are  pure  spirit souls enter  into  terrible  blinding
darkness.   However, they who, even though they  become  free  from
that ignorance, foolishly think that the individual soul is Brahman
and not a tiny particle of spirit, enter into an even more terrible
blinding  darkness  of ignorance.  O baba, the Vedas  are  like  an
ocean that has no shore.  One should carefully study each mantra of
each Upanisad and then one should study the Upanisads together as a
whole.   In  that way one will understand the true meaning  of  the
Vedas.  However, if one only studies a few passages here and there,
the  conclusion  he  gets at the end will be  horrible  and  wrong.
Therefore, after carefully studying all the branches of the  Vedas,
Sriman  Mahaprabhu taught the final conclusion: that the individual
spirit   souls   and   the  material  world   are   simultaneously,
inconceivably  one  and different from the Supreme  Personality  of
Godhead.
      Babaji: Please explain to me more clearly how this philosophy
of  inconceivable simultaneous oneness and difference is  the  true
teaching of the Vedas.
     Vrajanatha: In the Chandogya Upanisad (3.14.1) it is said:
     "Everything is Brahman."
     In the Chandogya Upanisad (7.25.2) it is said:
     "The Supreme Soul is everything."
     In the Chandogya Upanisad (6.2.1) it is said:
      "In  the beginning only the Supreme existed.  There was  none
but Him."
     In the Svetasvatara Upanisad (5.4) it is said:
     "As the sun shines in all directions: above, below and across,
so   the   glorious  Supreme  Personality  of  Godhead  rules   all
creatures."
      These  passages  describe the oneness  part  of  simultaneous
oneness and difference.
     In the Taittiriya Upanisad (2.1) it is said:
     "One who understands the Supreme, attains the Supreme."
     In the Katha Upanisad (1.2.22 and 2.1.4) it is said:
      "A  wise man who meditates on the all-pervading Supreme  Soul
never laments."
     In the Taittiriya Aranyaka, First Anuvaka, it is said:
      "Brahman is limitless, eternal and all-knowing.  A person who
knows  that  Brahman stays both in the spiritual  sky  and  in  the
hearts  of all creatures attains Brahman.  He associates  with  the
all-knowing Brahman.  All his desires are fulfilled."
     In the Svetasvatara Upanisad (3.9) it is said:
      "There is no truth superior to that Supreme Person because He
is  the  supermost.   He is smaller than the  smallest  and  He  is
greater than the greatest.  He is situated as a silent tree, and He
illumines the transcendental sky, and as a tree spreads its  roots,
He spreads His extensive energies."*
     In the Svetasvatara Upanisad (6.16) it is said:
      "The Supreme Person is fully aware of everything.  He is  the
Supersoul, the master of all transcendental qualities."*
      In the Katha Upanisad (2.23) and the Mundaka Upanisad (3.2.3)
it is said:
      "The  Supreme  Lord is attained only by one  who  He  Himself
chooses.  To such a person he manifests His own form."*
     In the Svetasvatara Upanisad (3.19) it is said:
      "Learned transcendentalists explain that God is the greatest,
the original person."*
     In the Isa Upanisad (mantra 8) it is said:
      "The  Supreme  Personality  of Godhead  has  been  fulfilling
everyone's desires since time immemorial."*
     In the Kena Upanisad (3.6 and 3.10) it is said:
     "I do not understand who this yaksa is."
     In the Taittiriya Upanisad (2.7) it is said:
      "In  the  beginning  only  the  Supreme  existed.   From  Him
everything was born.  Then He personally appeared within the world.
That is why He is called 'sukrta' (the creator)."
      In  the  Katha Upanisad (2.13) and the Svetasvatara  Upanisad
(6.13) it is said:
     "Of all eternal beings one is the most important."
     In the Mandukya Upanisad (mantra 2) it is said:
      "The  Supreme  soul is the greatest.  He is  everything.   He
manifests in four forms."
     In the Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad (2.5.14) it is said:
      "All living beings find that the Supreme Person is sweet like
nectar."
      In these and countless other passages, the Vedas declare that
the  individual  souls are eternally different  from  the  Supreme.
Every  part of the Vedas is beautiful and good.  No part should  be
rejected.  That the individual souls  are eternally different  from
the  Supreme is the truth.  That the individual souls are eternally
non-different  from the Supreme is also the truth.  Both  are  true
simultaneously.   All  the Vedas declare that  difference  and  non
difference  are  both true.  This simultaneous difference  and  non
difference is inconceivable, beyond the power of human intelligence
to understand.  Applying material logic to understand it will bring
only  confusion.  What the Vedas speak is always  the  truth.   The
Vedas'  statements should not be rejected merely because  they  are
beyond  the understanding of our tiny human intelligence.   In  the
Katha Upanisad (1.2.9) it is said:
     "Ordinary material logic cannot be used to disprove the truths
taught by the Vedas."
     In the Kena Upanisad (2.2) it is said:
      "I  do not think, 'I do not know anything about the Supreme'.
Neither do I think, 'I know everything about the Supreme'."
     In these passages the Vedas declare that the Lord's potency is
inconceivable.   Therefore material logic is not  the  proper  tool
with which to understand the Lord's potency.  In the Mahabharata it
is said:
     "The Puranas, Manu-samhita, the Vedas with all their limbs and
the  science  of  Vedic  medicine are  the  words  of  the  Supreme
Personality  of  Godhead.  They are His commands.   Material  logic
cannot refute them."
      Thus  simultaneous oneness and difference is the pure  truth,
the  conclusion taught by the Vedas.  When one considers the  final
goal and need of all individual souls, he will see that there is no
conclusion  but  simultaneous oneness  and  difference.   When  one
understands  this truth of simultaneous oneness and difference,  he
will  see  that the difference between the soul and the Supreme  is
eternal.   Without  understanding this difference,  the  individual
soul cannot attain the true goal of life: love for the Supreme.
     Babaji: What evidence from scripture and logic shows that love
for the Supreme is the final goal of life?
     Vrajanatha: The Vedas (Mundaka Upanisad 3.1.4) declare:
      "The  Supreme Person is the life of all that live.   One  who
knows  Him  is  not eager to talk of other things.  Such  a  person
loves the Lord, always remembers the Lord's pastimes, and is active
in the Lord's service.  He is the best of transcendentalists."
     In the Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad (2.4.5 and 4.5.6) it is said:
      "Every living being loves others not to please them,  but  to
please himself."
      These words of Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad show that love is  the
individual  soul's  primary need and  goal.   Baba,  love  for  the
Supreme  is described in many passages of the Vedas and the  Srimad
Bhagavatam.   It  is  clearly  described  in  these  words  of  the
Taittiriya Aranyaka, Seventh Anuvaka:
      "Who  could  live,  who could breathe, if  he  did  not  find
pleasure   in  his  heart?   Living  in  the  heart,  the   Supreme
Personality of Godhead gives pleasure to all living beings."
      Happiness  is a state of being created by love.   All  spirit
souls  strive  to find pleasure.  Persons striving  for  liberation
think  liberation will bring them pleasure.  That is why  they  are
mad  after  liberation.  Materialists think material sense  objects
will  bring  them  pleasure.  That is why they  chase  after  sense
objects.   The  hope  for pleasure pushes the  living  entity  into
action.   The devotees act so they can find pleasure in service  to
Lord  Krsna.   Thus all living entities are searching for  pleasure
and  for  love.   For the sake of pleasure and love they  are  even
willing to give up their bodies.  The conclusion is this:  everyone
sees  pleasure and love as their final goal,, their true need.   No
one  will deny it.  One may be an atheist, one may be a theist, one
may  be  a proponent of fruitive work (karma-vadi), one may  be  an
impersonalist (jnana-vadi), one may be a hedonist (kami),  one  may
be  an  ascetic  (niskami), all living entities are  searching  for
pleasure  and  love.  All search for pleasure  and  love,  but  not
everyone finds it.  The proponents of fruitive work think they will
find  pleasure  and love in Svargaloka.  However, the Bhagavad-gita
(9.21) says of them:
      "When  they  have thus enjoyed heavenly sense pleasure,  they
return  to  this  mortal  planet again.  Thus,  through  the  Vedic
principles, they achieve only flickering happiness."*
       This  means  that  eventually  they  must  fall  down   from
Svargaloka.   In  this way their plan to enjoy becomes  frustrated.
When  a person fails to find true pleasure in the wealth, children,
fame,  power,  and  other things available in the  world  of  human
beings,  he begins to desire the pleasures available in Svargaloka.
When  he  must fall from Svargaloka he realises that the  pleasures
available  there  are not very valuable.  Then  he  sees  that  the
pleasures  of the human worlds, of Svargaloka, and of  the  highest
material planets, even up to the planet of the demigod Brahma,  are
all  temporary.  Then he begins to search for impersonal.  When  he
finally  attains impersonal liberation, he sees that there  is  not
real pleasure in that either.  Then he searches for another path to
follow.   How  is it possible to find either pleasure  or  love  in
impersonal  liberation?   If  a  person's  sense  of  identity   is
annihilated,  how  can  he enjoy any pleasure?   Or  if  everything
becomes  one,  how can he enjoy any pleasure?  Who  will  exist  to
experience the pleasure?  If I lose my identity, who will exist  to
experience  Brahman?  The statement "Pleasure exists in  impersonal
liberation"  has  no meaning, for no one exists to  experience  the
pleasure.  In impersonal liberation does pleasure exist, or does it
not  exist?   What is the conclusion?  If my personal  identity  is
destroyed, then everything about me is destroyed.  What remains  of
me,  that  I  can  experience  the attainment  of  a  goal  or  the
fulfilment of a need?  In impersonal liberation I do not exist.   I
do not exist at all.  If someone says, "In impersonal liberation  I
exist as Brahman", then Brahman does not perform any action.  Is it
not  so?  If I become Brahman eternally, then there is nothing  for
me  to  attain,  and  therefore  I need  not  perform  any  action.
Therefore  in  impersonal  liberation is  not  the  way  to  attain
pleasure  or love.  Actually impersonal liberation does not  exist.
It  is  only a trick played on the individual soul.  It is a flower
imagined  to  float  in the sky.  Devotional service  is  the  only
method  by which the individual souls can attain the true  goal  of
their  live  and  fulfil  their true needs.   The  final  stage  of
devotional  service is love and pleasure.  That love  and  pleasure
are  eternal.  Pure Krsna is eternal, and pure love for Him is also
eternal.   Therefore, when one accepts the truth  of  inconceivable
oneness  and  difference, he can attain the eternal  perfection  of
true  love.   If  there is no simultaneous oneness and  difference,
then  the  eternal spiritual love that is the soul's true goal  and
need becomes not-eternal.  That non-eternality attacks the love and
destroys   it.    Therefore  all  Vedic  scriptures  confirm   that
simultaneous  inconceivable  oneness and  difference  is  the  true
conclusion.  All other conclusions are meaningless speculations.
      Plunged into an ocean of bliss as again and again he  thought
about the meaning of spiritual love, Vrajanatha walked home.
Chapter Nineteen
Nitya-dharma   O   Sambandhabhidheya  Prayojana   (Prameyantar-gata
Abhidheya-vicara)
Eternal Religion and Sambandha, Abhidheya and Prayojana (Abhidheya)
      After finishing his meal, Vrajanatha went to bed.  Again  and
again  in  his  heart  he  thought about simultaneous  oneness  and
difference.   He thought, "I used to think that the  philosophy  of
inconceivable simultaneous oneness and difference was only  one  of
many  competing  philosophies.  As he deeply thought  about  it  he
concluded  that no passages of scripture refuted it.   Indeed,  all
the  scriptures  supported  it.  Sri Gaura-kisora  is  the  Supreme
Personality of Godhead Himself.  There cannot be any fault with His
profound  teachings.   I cannot leave the shelter  of  Lord  Gaura-
kisora's  feet, which are the abode of spiritual love.  Alas!  What
have   I   attained  thus  far?   The  teaching  of   inconceivable
simultaneous  oneness and difference is the  truth.   That  much  I
know.   But by knowing it what have I attained?  The saintly babaji
told  me  that  spiritual love is the final goal of  life  for  all
souls.   The fruitive workers (karmis) and impersonalists  (jnanis)
are  all searching for love, but they do not know what is the  pure
state of love.  One must attain the pure state of love.  I will ask
the  saintly babaji how to attain it.  I will hear his conclusion."
Again and again thinking in this way, he gradually fell asleep.
      It  was late at night when Vrajanatha finally fell asleep and
it  was  late in the morning when he finally awakened.  He  got  up
from bed.  When he had washed and performed his morning duties, his
uncle  Vijaya-kumara  Bhattacarya Mahasaya  arrived  for  a  visit.
Seeing  that  he  had  come  after  many  days  in  Sri  Modadruma,
Vrajanatha at once offered dandavat obeisances to his uncle.
     Vijaya-kumara was especially learned in Sriman Bhagavatam.  By
the  mercy of Srimati Narayani-devi, he had attained great love for
Lord  Gauranga.  Nowadays he went from place to place reading aloud
from  Srimad  Bhagavatam.   At  the  village  of  Denuda-grama   he
personally met Sri Vrndavana dasa Thakura, who advised him to visit
Sri  Mayapura,  the  inconceivable spiritual  abode  of  the  Lord.
Vrndavana  dasa Thakura told him that soon all the places  of  Lord
Mahaprabhu's  pastimes would become hidden,  and  only  after  four
hundred years would they again be openly manifested.  He also  said
that  the places of Lord Caitanya's pastimes are not different from
Sri  Vrndavana,  and that only a person who can see  the  spiritual
nature  of  Sri  Mayapura and the other places of  Lord  Caitanya's
pastimes  has the power to see Vrndavana as it truly  is.   Hearing
these words of Sri Vrndavana dasa Thakura, who is an incarnation of
Srila  Vyasadeva,  Vijaya-kumara  became  very  eager  to  see  Sri
Mayapura.  In his mind he decided to visit his sister and nephew in
Bilva-puskarini, and then visit Sri Mayapura.  In those days Bilva-
puskarini and Brahmana-puskarini touched each other.  Nowadays they
are  far apart.  In those days the boundary of Bilva-puskarini  was
within  a  mile  of holy Sri Mayapura.  That abandoned  village  of
Bilva-puskarini now goes by the names "Tota" and "Taranabasa".
      Vijaya-kumara embraced his nephew and said, "Baba, now I will
go  to  visit  Sri Mayapura.  Please tell your mother that  I  will
return for lunch."   Vrajanatha replied, "Uncle, why are you  going
to   visit   Sri  Mayapura?"   Vijaya-kumara  was  not   aware   of
Vrajanatha's present condition, how he had abandoned the  study  of
nyaya-sastra and become an ardent student of Vedanta.  Therefore he
thought it not appropriate to describe his devotional activities to
Vrajanatha.  He simply said, "I want to visit someone in Mayapura."
Aware  that his uncle was a devotee of Lord Gauranga and a  scholar
of  Srimad  Bhagavatam, and thinking that his  uncle  must  have  a
spiritual  purpose  in visiting Sri Mayapura, Vrajanatha  said,  "A
very  faithful  Vaisnava named Sri Raghunatha dasa babaji  Mahasaya
resides in Sri Mayapura.  Please speak with him when you make  your
visit."  Hearing Vrajanatha's words, Vijaya-kumara said, "Baba, now
you  have  faith in the Vaisnavas?  I heard that you had  abandoned
nyaya  and turned to Vedanta.  Now I can understand that  you  have
entered  the  path  of devotional service.  I  no  longer  need  to
conceal things from you.  Vrndavana dasa Thakura has ordered me  to
visit the holy abode of Sri Mayapura.  In my mind I have decided to
bathe  in  the Ganges at Sri Mayapura-ghata, see and circumambulate
the yoga-pitha, and once roll about in the dust from the Vaisnavas'
feet  at Srivasa's courtyard."  Vrajanatha said, "Uncle, please  be
kind and take me with you.  I will take permission from mother, and
we  will  both  go  to  Sri  Mayapura.   After  this  conversation,
Vrajanatha  spoke to his mother, Vrajanatha and Vijaya-kumara  both
left for Sri Mayapura.  With great delight they both bathed in  the
Ganges.   As they bathed, Vijaya-kumara said, "Nephew, today  I  am
fortunate.  Up till the age of twenty, Lord Sacinandana showed  His
mercy  to Sri Ganga-devi by playing in the waters here.  By bathing
in these waters, I have become very happy."  Melting with happiness
to  hear  these  encouraging words, Vrajanatha said,  "Today  I  am
fortunate,  for  today  I  am able to  follow  your  feet."   After
bathing,  they  both went to Jagannatha Misra's home.   There  they
became  decorated  with  streaming tears of great  spiritual  love.
Vijaya-kumara said, "They who have taken birth in the land of  Lord
Gaura  but  have  never touched this most sacred place  have  taken
their  birth  in  vain.  That is not just an  exaggeration.   Look!
With  material eyes this looks like another ordinary place, a place
of cottages made of leaves.  By Lord Gauranga's mercy what glory do
we  see  now!  We see great jewel palaces, charming gardens,  grand
archways,  and so many other glorious things!  Look!  How beautiful
are  the  forms  of Sri Gauranga-Visnupriya in that  palace!   What
beautiful forms!!  Again and again speaking in this way, the  uncle
and  nephew were both overwhelmed, stunned with ecstatic love.  For
a  long  time  they were both overcome in this way.   Finally  some
devotees helped them go to Srivasa's courtyard.  When they  entered
it, streams of tears flowed from their eyes.  Rolling on the ground
in Srivasa's courtyard, the both called out, "O Srivasa! O Advaita!
O  Nityananda! O Gadadhara-Gauranga!  Please give Your mercy to us.
Please  take away our false pride.  Please give us shelter of  Your
feet."
      Seeing  the  two  brahmanas  in  this  devotional  mood,  the
Vaisnavas  called  out, "Glory to the moon of Mayapura!   Glory  to
invincible  Lord Gauranga! Glory to Lord Nityananda!"  and  danced.
In  a  moment  Vrajanatha  offered his body  at  the  feet  of  his
worshipable master, Sri Raghunatha dasa.  The elderly babaji picked
him  up,  embraced him, and said, "Baba, why have you come at  this
time  today?  Who is the great soul accompanying you?"   Vrajanatha
humbly  explained everything.  The Vaisnavas gave them nice sitting
places  in  the  courtyard of the bakula tree.  Then  Vijaya-kumara
humbly asked saintly Sri Raghunatha dasa Babaji, "O master, what is
the real goal and need of all living entities?"
      Babaji: You are both great devotees.  You have already attain
the  goal  of life.  Still, to show kindness to me, you have  asked
this question.  As far as I know, I will speak.  Devotional service
to  Lord  Krsna, devotional service that is free of  any  trace  of
fruitive work or impersonal speculation is both the final  goal  of
life  and  the means to attain the goal of life.  In its  beginning
stage  it  is  called  "sadhana-bhakti" and in its  final,  perfect
stage, it is called 'prema-bhakti".
     Vijaya-kumara: O saintly babaji, what different qualities does
devotional service possess?
      Babaji: By Lord Mahaprabhu's order, Srila Rupa Gosvami  wrote
the  Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu,  where  the  qualities  of  devotional
service are described in these words (1.1.11):
      "One  should  render  transcendental loving  service  to  the
Supreme  Lord  Krsna  favourably and without  desire  for  material
profit   or  gain  through  fruitive  activities  or  philosophical
speculation.  That is called pure devotional service."*
      In  this  verse  the direct and indirect  qualities  of  pure
devotional service are described.  Here the words "bhaktir  uttama"
mean  "pure devotional service."  Pure devotional service is  never
mixed   with  karma  (fruitive  activities)  or  jnana  (impersonal
speculation).  When the desire for sense gratification is  present,
devotional  service  is mixed with fruitive activities.   When  the
desire  for  impersonal  liberation attained through  philosophical
speculation is present, devotional service is mixed with impersonal
speculation.    When   the  desire  for  sense  gratification   and
impersonal   liberation  are  completely  absent,  then  devotional
service  is "uttama" or pure.  Pure devotional service brings  pure
love of God as its result.  What is devotional service?  The direct
qualities  of devotional service are the endeavour to please  Krsna
with  the activities of one's body, mind, and words, and also  love
for Lord Krsna within one's heart.  The soul has certain powers  of
his own.  However, when one attains the mercy of Lord Krsna and the
mercy  of  a  devotee, then Lord Krsna manifests His  own  internal
potency  (svarupa-sakti).   It is then  that  the  true  nature  of
devotional  service becomes manifested.  In the present  condition,
the living entity's body, mind, and words are all material.  If  he
works  with  the power of his own intelligence, his only attainment
will  be  material  knowledge and dry renunciation.   He  will  not
attain  devotional  service.  However,  if  Lord  Krsna's  internal
potency  (svarupa-sakti) becomes manifested and  is  even  slightly
active,  then  pure  devotional service is manifested  also.   Lord
Krsna  is  the original form of the Supreme Personality of  Godhead
(bhagavan).   Activities meant to please Him are called  devotional
service.  Jnana (impersonal speculation) and karma (fruitive work),
which are meant to please Brahman and Paramatma, are not devotional
service.  Devotional service should be favourable (anukulya), meant
to  please Lord Krsna.  If it is not favourable, devotional service
cannot reach the perfect stage.  The word 'anukula' means 'pleasing
to  Lord Krsna".  In the stage of sadhana-bhakti, the activities of
devotional service are to a certain extent gross and unrefined.  In
the  stage  of  perfect  devotional  service,  the  activities   of
devotional  service  are  free from connection  with  the  material
world.   In  this way they are subtle and refined.  In both  stages
the  qualities  of devotional service remain the  same.   Therefore
that  devotional  service  should be  favourable  (anukulyena)  and
directly to Lord Krsna (krsnanusilanam) are the direct qualities of
devotional  service.   Now  that the  direct  qualities  have  been
described,  we  will describe the indirect qualities of  devotional
service.  Sri Rupa Gosvami has mentioned two indirect qualities  of
devotional  service.  The first indirect quality is 'anyabhilasita-
sunyam  (freedom  from  other desires),  and  the  second  indirect
quality   is   'jnana-karmady-anavrtam"  (freedom  from  impersonal
speculation  and  fruitive  work).  In the  heart  any  desire  for
something   other  than  devotional  service  is  antagonistic   to
devotional  service.   When jnana, karma, yoga,  renunciation,  and
other  things cover the heart, the situation is not favourable  for
devotional service.  Therefore devotional service is pure  when  it
is  freed  from  these two obstacles and when it is favourable  and
directed to Lord Krsna.
      Vijaya-kumara:  What  is the special  quality  of  devotional
service?  I mean to say, what are its specific characteristics?
      Babaji:  Srila  Rupa  Gosvami explains that  pure  devotional
service  has  six specific characteristics.  They are described  in
these words (Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.1.13):
      "There  are  six characteristics of pure devotional  service,
which  are  as follows: 1. pure devotional service brings immediate
relief  from  all  kinds of material distress, 2.  Pure  devotional
service  is the beginning of all auspiciousness, 3. Pure devotional
service automatically puts one in transcendental pleasure, 4.  Pure
devotional  service is rarely achieved, 5. Those in pure devotional
service  deride  even  the conception of liberation,  and  6.  Pure
devotional service is the only means to attract Krsna."*
       Vijaya-kumara:  How  does  pure  devotional  service   bring
immediate relief from all kinds of material distress?
     Babaji: Material distress has three causes: 1. papa (sins), 2.
papa-bija (the seeds of sins) and 3. avidya (ignorance).  The  word
'papa'  (sins)  refers to the activities that begin  with  'pataka'
(sins),  "maha-pataka" (great sins), and "ati-pataka" (the greatest
sins).   When pure devotional service appears in the heart,  sinful
activities  cannot  remain there.  the desire  to  commit  sins  is
called 'papa-bija' (the seeds of sins).  When the heart is purified
by performing devotional service, sinful desires cannot stay there.
The  individual  soul's illusions are called 'avidya'.   When  pure
devotional service is performed, the soul thinks "I am a servant of
Lord  Krsna."   When that happens illusions about the  soul's  true
identity  cannot  stay.  When the effulgence  of  Bhakti-devi  (the
goddess of devotional service) enters the heart, sins, the seeds of
sins,  and  the  blinding darkness of ignorance all perish.   Thus,
when  devotional service arrives, material distress  is  no  longer
seen.   Therefore one of the characteristics of devotional  service
is  that  it  brings  immediate relief from all kinds  of  material
distress.
     Vijaya-kumara: How is pure devotional service the beginning of
all auspiciousness?
      Babaji: The word auspiciousness means: 1. love for all living
entities,  2.  all virtues, and 3. every kind of  happiness.   When
pure  devotional  service  arises in his heart,  a  person  becomes
decorated  with  these  four virtues: 1.  humility,  2.  mercy,  3.
pridelessness, and 4. giving honour to all others.  The  result  of
this  is that the entire world loves him.  Every virtue that exists
among  the  living  entities is spontaneously manifested  within  a
person who is a devotee of the Lord.  Devotional service also gives
every  kind  of happiness.  It gives material sense happiness,  the
happiness  of attaining the qualityless impersonal liberation,  all
yogic  perfections, sense gratification, liberation and every other
kind  of  happiness.  However, the four kinds of  devotees  do  not
desire  any of these kinds of happiness, for none of them can  even
approach  the  eternal  bliss attained by  engaging  in  devotional
service.
      Vijaya-kumara:  Why  is  it  that  persons  engaged  in  pure
devotional   service  deride  even  the  conception  of  impersonal
liberation?
      Babaji: When the happiness that comes from pleasing the  Lord
is  even  slightly  manifested  in  one's  heart,  the  happinesses
obtained  from  material  piety, material sense  gratification  and
impersonal liberation automatically become very insignificant.
     Vijaya-kumara: Why is pure devotional service rarely achieved?
     Babaji: Please try to understand this carefully.  By following
thousands  and  thousands of spiritual paths one  will  not  easily
attain devotional service.  Lord Hari is not pleased by persons who
strive  for  material sense gratification or impersonal liberation.
To  them  He will not give devotional service.  Therefore  for  the
followers  of  these two paths devotional service  is  very  rarely
achieved.  By following the path of impersonal speculation one  may
attain  impersonal liberation, and by performing yajnas  and  other
pious deeds one may easily attain material sense gratification, but
by  these  means  one  will never become  expert  in  the  yoga  of
devotional service.  One may follow thousands and thousands of such
paths, but one will not attain devotional service to Lord Hari.
      Vijaya-kumara: How does pure devotional service automatically
put one in transcendental pleasure?
      Babaji: Devotional service is filled with spiritual pleasure.
It  is  an ocean of bliss.  If all the material pleasures available
in  the troublesome material world were added to its opposite,  the
pleasure   of  merging  into  the  impersonal  Brahman,  and   then
multiplied  by  a  hundred  thousand  million  million,  all   that
accumulated pleasure would not equal a single drop of the happiness
of   devotional   service.   Material  sense  pleasures   is   very
insignificant, and impersonal brahman pleasure is very dry.   These
two  kinds  of pleasure are very different from spiritual pleasure.
Dissimilar  things cannot be compared.  The pleasure of  devotional
service is a deep ocean of bliss.  Compared to it, the happiness of
impersonal  liberation is like a mud-puddle in a  cow's  hoofprint.
Only  persons  who  have tasted the pleasure of devotional  service
know  what that pleasure is like.  They cannot really describe that
pleasure to others.
     Vijaya-kumara: How does pure devotional service attract Krsna?
      Babaji:  When devotional service appears in someone's  heart,
Lord  Krsna, who is controlled by love, becomes attracted to  enter
that heart along with all His associates.  By no other way can Lord
Krsna be brought under control.
      Vijaya-kumara: If devotional service is as you describe, then
why do not all scripture scholars carefully engage in it?
      Babaji:  The  root of the matter is this:  human intelligence
and  material logic are limited.  Any human beings who  tries  with
his   limited  intelligence  to  understand  Lord  Krsna  and   His
devotional  service,  which  are far beyond  the  boundary  of  the
material  world,  will certainly fail.  Lord Krsna  and  devotional
service will remain far away from him.  On the other hand, a person
who because of past pious deeds now has a single drop of attraction
to  Krsna  can  easily understand devotional service.   Aside  from
being  fortunate in this way, no one can understand  the  truth  of
devotional service.
      Vijaya-kumara:  Why is material logic useless  in  understand
spiritual pleasure?
      Babaji:  Material logic has no power to understand  spiritual
pleasure.  In the Vedas (Katha Upanisad 1.2.9) it is said:
     "The Supreme cannot be understood by material logic."
     In the Vedanta-sutra (2.1.11) it is also said:
      "Transcendental topics cannot be understood  by  argument  or
logic."*
     In this way it is explained that material logic cannot be used
to understand spiritual matters.
      Vrajanatha:  Is  there  a  stage  in  between  sadhana-bhakti
(devotional  service  in  practice)  and  prema-bhakti  (devotional
service in pure love of God)?
      Babaji: Yes.  There are three stages: sadhana-bhakti,  bhava-
bhakti (devotional service in ecstasy), and prema-bhakti.
     Vrajanatha: What distinguishes sadhana-bhakti from the others?
      Babaji:  The highest stage is prema-bhakti.  As  long  as  he
remains  imprisoned by the material senses, the  soul's  devotional
activities are situated in sadhana-bhakti.
      Vrajanatha:  You  have  explained that  prema-bhakti  is  the
eternal  perfection, the highest stage.  How is this highest  stage
attained?
      Babaji: One cannot attain that eternal perfection by his  own
efforts.  In the beginning the stage called 'sadhana' is manifested
in the heart.  Until the day when the eternal perfection appears of
its  own  accord,  one  cannot force  its  presence.   The  eternal
perfection must come of its own.
     Vrajanatha: Please explain more clearly.
      Babaji: Because it is manifested from the Lord's own internal
potency (svarupa-sakti), prema-bhakti is eternally perfect.  It  is
not  manifested in the hearts of souls still imprisoned by  matter.
With  the  body, mind, and words one may endeavour to  attain  that
eternal perfection in his heart, but as long as it is not attained,
the devotee is situated in sadhana-bhakti.
     Vrajanatha: What are the qualities of sadhana-bhakti?
     Babaji: The nature of sadhana-bhakti is that it is a method of
making the mind think of Lord Krsna.
     Vrajanatha: How many stages are present in sadhana-bhakti?
     Babaji: There are two stages: 'vaidhi and raganuga'.
     Vrajanatha: What is vaidhi-sadhana-bhakti?
      Babaji:  Vaidhi is of two kinds.  When one follows the  rules
given  in  the  scriptures,  his  activities  are  called  'vaidhi-
pravrtti'.   When by following the rules given in the scriptures  a
person  attains  devotional  service,  his  activities  are  called
'vaidhi-bhakti'.
      Vrajanatha:  Later  I  will ask about  raganuga-bhakti.   Now
please tell me: What are the qualities of vaidhi-bhakti?
      Babaji: Activities the scriptures say should be performed are
called  'vaidhi'.   Activities the scriptures  say  should  not  be
performed  are  called 'nisedha'.  To do what should  be  done  and
avoid what is forbidden is called 'vaidha-dharma.'
      Vrajanatha:  From your words I have understood that  'vaidha'
means   'following   the   rules  of  all  the   'dharma   sastras'
(scriptures).  However, it is very difficult for the living  entity
to  determine from these scriptures exactly what should be done and
what  is  forbidden.   Therefore,  please  briefly  summarise   the
scriptures rules of what should be done and what is forbidden.
     Babaji: In the Padma Purana it is said:
      "Krsna  is  the  origin of Lord Visnu.  He should  always  be
remembered  and  never forgotten at any time.  All  the  rules  and
prohibitions  mentioned in the sastras (scriptures) should  be  the
servants of these two principles."*
      One  should always remember Lord Visnu.  That is the root  of
all  rules.   The duties of varnasrama-dharma are meant  to  follow
that  rule of always remembering Lord Visnu.  That is the  root  of
all  prohibitions.  Avoidance of sin, abandonment  of  materialism,
penance  for sins committed in the past and other like prohibitions
are  meant to follow this prohibition: that one should never forget
Lord Visnu.  Therefore the rules and prohibitions described in  the
scriptures are the servants of the rule to remember Lord Visnu  and
the  prohibition  to  never forget Him.   Therefore  the  rules  of
varnasrama and other like rules are meant to enable one  to  always
remember  Lord Visnu.  This is described in the following words  of
Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.5.2-3):
     "From the mouth of Brahma, the brahmanical order has come into
existence.  Similarly, from his arms, the ksatriyas have come, from
his  waist the vaisyas have come, and from his legs the sudras have
come.    These   four  orders  and  their  spiritual   counterparts
(brahmacarya, grhastha, vanaprastha, and sannyasa) combine to  make
human society complete.*
      "If  one  simply maintains an official position in  the  four
varnas and asramas but does not worship the Supreme Lord Visnu,  he
falls down from his puffed-up position into a hellish condition."*
      Srila  Rupa Gosvami explains that among the human beings  who
follow  the  rules  of  scripture, some have  faith  in  devotional
service.   These are the person qualified to engage  in  devotional
service.   These persons are not attracted to following  rules  for
their own sake, and neither are they attracted to renunciation  for
its  own sake.  Following the rules of ordinary civilised life  and
at  the  same time full of faith in devotional service, they engage
in sadhana-bhakti.  This engagement in sadhana-bhakti is the result
of many lifetimes of pious deeds.  Faithful persons thus engaged in
devotional  service  are  divided  into  three  groups:  1.  uttama
(advanced), 2. madhyama (intermediate), and 3. kanistha (neophyte).
      Vrajanatha:  In  Bhagavad-gita (7.16) it  is  said  that  the
devotees  are of four kinds: 1. arta (the distressed),  2.  jijnasu
(the  inquisitive), 3. artharthi (the desirer of  wealth),  and  4.
jnani (he who is searching for knowledge of the Absolute).  How are
these persons eligible to engage in devotional service?
      Babaji: When they attain the association of saintly devotees,
these  four  kinds  of persons, the arta, jijnasu,  artharthi,  and
jnani  develop  faith in unalloyed devotional service.   Then  they
become  qualified  to  engage  in  devotional  service.   Gajendra,
Saunaka Rsi, Dhruva, the four Kumaras, and many others may be cited
here as examples of this.
     Vrajanatha: Why are the devotees not eager for liberation?
      Babaji: Of the five kinds of liberation - salokya (to live on
the same